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[01:06:35] Radar: adam|: This 600 page tutorial is, indeed,paid.
[01:06:51] adam|: Radar: I feel like it was free, at one time or another.
[01:07:03] Radar: hooray for publishers
[01:07:14] adam|: All these sellouts :P
[01:07:27] Radar: Maybe you're thinking of railstutorial: https://www.railstutorial.org/
[01:07:32] adam|: Ah, maybe.
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[01:08:06] pontiki_: evening, all
[01:09:11] havenn: good evenin'
[01:10:25] Radar: R4IA is the better of the two just imo :D
[01:10:30] Radar: (because I wrote R4IA)
[01:10:48] adam|: sellout :P
[01:11:07] adam|: who was your pub on that one? Pragprog?
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[01:19:02] pontiki: adam| and others: fyi: i am currently running the monthly rails newbie meeting here in minneapolis, minnesota.
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[01:19:53] adam|: pontiki: cool! how's turnout been? I'm doing a "Your first 15 minutes of Ruby/Rails talk" to a bunch of polyglots a few weeks from now. Any suggestions?
[01:20:35] pontiki: we get btn 20-25 people, sometimes half that number have never even installed ruby
[01:21:23] adam|: That's decent.
[01:21:30] pontiki: everyone here speaks midwestern English, which is so boring
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[01:23:13] adam|: LOL. I've never even heard of it?
[01:23:43] pontiki: the accent that is common among the middle and upper reaches of north america
[01:24:44] pontiki: if you ever (and i am most assuredly not recommending this) watch an undubbed version of the movie "Fargo", that would be it
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[01:26:37] pontiki: adam|: that absolute hardest part of your talk for me would be "the first 15 minutes". i don't know what i'd say at all
[01:27:23] pontiki: i'd demonstrate building a simple rails app and not really talk at all, i think
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[01:30:38] VeryBewitching: Fargo is one of my favorite films.
[01:31:32] mices: you got that right
[01:31:44] adam|: pontiki: It's gonna be live coding. I'll likely flesh out first route, first controller, first model/migration, first view. With any luck, I'll have time to drop in some ruby. I dunno.
[01:31:56] pontiki: yeah, there ya go
[01:32:07] pontiki: it is all ruby
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[01:47:38] Radar: adam|: Manning published Rails 4 in Action.
[01:47:57] Radar: adam|: I have since resolved to never ever ever publish another book with them ever EVER again :D
[01:48:01] Radar: My go-to now is Leanpub.
[01:48:09] adam|: Yeah. Leanpub is the new rage.
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[04:35:46] chipotle: Radar: sorry about the other day
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[05:15:21] strcmp1: NOT FORGIVEN. REPENT AT THE ALTAR OF SATAN.
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[07:28:10] arup_r: any body use here Mysql in Rails. I am not able to up the mysql server.. so seeking for a help
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[07:54:09] sevenseacat: without an error or something, not much we can do
[07:55:24] arup_r: sevenseacat: sure giving
[07:56:22] arup_r: https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/d5d1a6b6e27b21609661
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[07:56:59] sevenseacat: nothing to do with rails
[07:57:06] arup_r: It was working 5 months back. After that I was using Postgresql.. Now I need again Mysql, and when I tried found these issues.
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[07:57:08] sevenseacat: also nothing to do with mysql
[07:57:12] arup_r: Yes. Not Rails issue
[07:57:36] arup_r: But something related to mysql
[07:58:17] sevenseacat: no, something related to mariadb and your OS's packaging of it
[07:59:35] arup_r: I will do fresh install..
[08:00:23] sevenseacat: I don't know where it says you should run those commands, or why you think those commands should work
[08:00:47] sevenseacat: so right now I'll chalk it up to 'you making things up and being surprised when they don't work'
[08:01:29] arup_r: Ok. When I try to run the `mysql` and it gave me the error http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4448467/cant-connect-to-local-mysql-server-through-socket-var-lib-mysql-mysql-sock
[08:01:45] arup_r: and there people are saying check if service is up or not
[08:01:50] arup_r: I checked service is down
[08:02:00] arup_r: so tried to up it and then the war begins
[08:02:03] sevenseacat: thats an entirely different error
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[08:02:39] sevenseacat: and the service isn't 'down', its nonexistent
[08:03:01] arup_r: Yes. I reached to the Gist from the error as SO shows .. That I encountered first
[08:03:52] sevenseacat: so what makes you think that those commands will fix the problem
[08:04:00] sevenseacat: do you even know what the service you want to start is called
[08:05:01] arup_r: Yes. I thought the I need toup the mysql srver up
[08:05:18] arup_r: http://stackoverflow.com/a/13861425/2767755
[08:06:00] sevenseacat: honestly, I dont care what SO says in this instance, because the error can be caused by so many different things. what makes you think that your server is down?
[08:06:22] arup_r: I reinstalled the mariadb
[08:06:36] arup_r: this pkg got corrupted
[08:06:59] arup_r: sevenseacat: https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/d5d1a6b6e27b21609661#file-log-txt-L1
[08:07:02] arup_r: I checked
[08:07:08] arup_r: and found it is down
[08:07:29] sevenseacat: again, it wasnt down, it was not found
[08:08:36] arup_r: yeah.. now working.. so I will resume my work
[08:08:40] arup_r: thanks sevenseacat
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[08:47:23] arup_r: I am not able to drop my db using rake db:drop . https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/6c049cc46bf59a94a656
[08:47:43] arup_r: I never saw such an error - "Mysql2::Error: Table './mysql/proc' is marked as crashed and should be repaired:"
[08:48:21] pontiki: try dropping them with msyqladmin
[08:49:53] arup_r: ok.. any idea why rake task couldn't do it
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[08:50:09] jhass: just switch to postgres
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[08:50:31] pontiki: nah, stick with sqlite
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[08:51:25] jhass: sqlite - the database for all your datatypes, even those that don't exist anywhere!
[08:52:11] pontiki: everything is blobsome
[08:52:45] chipotle: so i have mainly been a drupaler and it's pretty easy to get 50-75/hr C2C freelancing gigs (from a week long to 6 months). even remote will pay in that same range, although on the lower end. i want to learn ruby and RoR but how does the freelance market for ruby and RoR compare?
[08:53:17] rhizome: there are many freelance markets
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[08:56:42] pontiki: i have no basis for comparison
[08:56:57] pontiki: i get a lot of requests for RoR stuff, though
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[08:57:25] pontiki: this being all personal anecdotal optinion
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[08:58:52] chipotle: how do they find you?
[08:58:56] chipotle: is it for remote or onsite stuff?
[08:59:04] chipotle: or is it from recruiters (scum of the earth)?
[09:00:10] strcmp1: chipotle, ror devs are paid pretty well
[09:00:17] strcmp1: 125k is standard i think
[09:00:44] strcmp1: "SF Standard" ofc
[09:00:51] strcmp1: but if youre remote SF is game for you too
[09:00:53] chipotle: what about for remote jobs?
[09:00:59] chipotle: i live in NYC
[09:01:02] strcmp1: i work for SF company
[09:01:07] strcmp1: and before that NYC company
[09:01:10] strcmp1: im in ireland
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[09:01:22] strcmp1: you saw https://www.weworkremotely.com ?
[09:01:55] strcmp1: https://weworkremotely.com/
[09:02:08] strcmp1: the message is that for remote work RoR is great
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[09:02:17] strcmp1: you shouldnt have a prob once qualified
[09:02:41] pontiki: chipotle: sometimes i really wonder how they find me :)
[09:03:21] chipotle: yeah, but i assumed those jobs on that site are really hard to get
[09:03:27] chipotle: i'd be a beginner ror dev obviously
[09:03:36] chipotle: would i still be able to find remote ror gigs that didn't pay indian wages?
[09:03:44] strcmp1: yeah getting your foot in the door is always the hard part when you have no prior experience
[09:03:56] strcmp1: like 70k for junior
[09:04:16] strcmp1: and nyc is pretty awesome for ruby jobs anyway
[09:06:21] strcmp1: chipotle, without prior experience/recommendation it can be hard though. you might find something that can mix your drupal/PHP/wordpress(?) skills with ruby,i saw one exact job like that on weworkremotely a while ago actually. so i wouldnt worry too much.
[09:06:58] chipotle: when can i sufficiently say i am a jr ruby/ror dev so i can start looking for jobs?
[09:07:04] chipotle: i'm working through the well grounded rubyist now
[09:07:16] strcmp1: when you feel confident of it, i guess
[09:09:25] pontiki: have you built and deployed any rails apps, chipotle ?
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[09:27:02] arup_r: jhass: DB change is not possible.. as I am fixing bugs of an live app
[09:27:08] arup_r: no choice :/
[09:28:45] strcmp1: arup_r, you always find the weirdest bugs
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[09:41:29] chipotle: pontiki: no
[09:41:32] chipotle: i am just starting
[09:41:35] chipotle: i don't even really know ruby
[09:41:38] chipotle: i'm so overwhelmed
[09:41:43] chipotle: i went through chris pine's learn to program book
[09:41:49] chipotle: and am now reading the well grounded rubyist
[09:41:54] chipotle: and then i plan to read rails 4 in action
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[09:42:55] chipotle: i need to know ruby to builds rails apps, right?
[09:43:08] chipotle: but when should i learn js?
[09:43:16] sevenseacat: when you need it
[09:43:18] chipotle: since that is needed to build a website
[09:43:24] chipotle: can i learn that while learning ruby?
[09:43:33] sevenseacat: it is not strictly needed to build a website
[09:44:25] chipotle: but basically all sites use js
[09:44:29] chipotle: if only for jquery
[09:44:44] sevenseacat: like i said, learn it when you need it.
[09:44:44] chipotle: the whole point is i wanna build a website that teaches personal finance
[09:44:46] pontiki: don't you know JS from building drupal sites?
[09:44:53] chipotle: rather than in drupal, i wanna do it in RoR stack
[09:45:04] chipotle: i know it is better to have a goal in mind when learning a language
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[09:45:19] chipotle: i just used jquery and it did most things for me
[09:45:27] chipotle: i wasn't a themer where i built a theme from html/css/js
[09:45:29] sevenseacat: ACTION scratches head
[09:45:34] chipotle: i'd want to use twitter bootstrap or something
[09:45:53] chipotle: i knew i shouldn't do this. i'm in way over my head
[09:46:07] pontiki: jquery is written in JS
[09:46:10] sevenseacat: just learn one thing at a time. it sounds like you have a roadmap to start with
[09:46:15] strcmp1: relax, youre just overwhelmed
[09:46:22] pontiki: learning rails is hard
[09:46:30] pontiki: but it's doable, one bite at a time
[09:47:04] pontiki: you're on the right track, as long as you're applying what you're reading, not just reading
[09:47:11] chipotle: i just wanted to build a schedule
[09:47:15] chipotle: i also need to learn sql
[09:47:19] strcmp1: idk if i agree that it is hard or not. it has concepts that can be hard to grasp, and it doesn't give any kind of crash course for those concepts (back when i learnt it).
[09:47:30] strcmp1: the guides are probably a good resource too, and "live".
[09:47:30] chipotle: i don't know how much time i should spend on ruby, js and sql each day (and i guess also css)
[09:47:40] chipotle: or if i should do a day of one and then the next day of anotehr
[09:47:50] sevenseacat: it wont make sense if you do that.
[09:47:58] pontiki: "hard" obviously means different things to different people. it's hard because there is a lot to learn, but it's not hard because the concepts of difficult to grasp
[09:48:22] pontiki: concepts *are*
[09:48:37] chipotle: what won't make sense?
[09:48:38] pontiki: here: https://www.codefellows.org/blog/this-is-why-learning-rails-is-hard
[09:48:38] strcmp1: im not sure
[09:49:16] strcmp1: i cant remember how i learnt rails, i know i learnt ruby first and was way more interested in that. rails felt like a breeze after that, just APIs, and learning wtf MVC is.
[09:50:32] sevenseacat: such a good article, that one
[09:50:38] strcmp1: pontiki, yeah i def agree with that. from skimming.
[09:50:47] strcmp1: web development is vast.
[09:50:52] pontiki: but after learning over 20-ish languages, a huge number of projects of all different sizes and kinds, picking up ruby and rails was not difficult at all *for me*.
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[09:51:26] strcmp1: is that a quote or your own words?
[09:51:28] sevenseacat: I didn't find it difficult either, but I had many years of building full-stack MVC webapps in PHP beforehand
[09:51:29] pontiki: because i had most of that tree well covered already; coming at it where you're learning most of that tree, it looks hard
[09:52:21] strcmp1: i actually think the people who would find it hardest would be PHP programmers, because i imagine most arent familiar with any comp sci concepts and just wanted something quick+dirty+easy(PHP)
[09:52:28] strcmp1: obv not for every case like sevenseacat
[09:52:46] sevenseacat: depends on if you are 'only' a PHP developer or not
[09:54:04] strcmp1: when i learnt ruby/rails i wasnt familiar with anything but perl + weird sh hacks. i found rails to be too much, so i focused on ruby and came back. then it was easy.
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[09:55:07] pontiki: ACTION nods
[09:56:16] pontiki: being a JAPH, i learned a whole lot of stuff
[09:56:47] pontiki: like: how do you make a language yours
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[10:05:07] chipotle: but should i try to learn js at the same time as ruby?
[10:05:11] chipotle: should i study both in the same day
[10:05:17] chipotle: or one day ruby one day js?
[10:05:21] sevenseacat: I've answered that multiple times now
[10:05:24] chipotle: i have heard js is a VERY easy language
[10:05:30] chipotle: so maybe less focus on js than ruby?
[10:05:35] sevenseacat: depends what you want to do with it
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[10:08:46] chipotle: what i want to do it with it? how so?
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[10:09:57] sevenseacat: if you want to do console.log("Hello world") then sure it's a really easy language
[10:10:10] sevenseacat: if you want to build the next version of trello, it really isn't
[10:12:21] chipotle: how about somewhere int he middle?
[10:12:26] pontiki: i would not try to learn two languages simultaneously
[10:12:31] chipotle: so when i need to do somethign with js to extend my ror app, i can
[10:12:38] pontiki: focus on ruby, and rails
[10:12:42] pontiki: js will come
[10:12:43] chipotle: so i'll focus on ruby then do js, then try to do RoR?
[10:12:49] chipotle: or should i do ruby, then RoR, then js?
[10:12:51] pontiki: ruby -> rails
[10:13:17] chipotle: but i thought js is used to extend a RoR app? js is pretty common on webpages these days, it's like html5/css3 and js go together....
[10:13:42] pontiki: but i also have to say it sounds like you're spending a lot of time thinking about what to learn first, then second, then third
[10:13:54] pontiki: i've never experienced learning new technology that way
[10:14:41] pontiki: it might be just my learning style, but for me it's reading some basics and jumping in to try it out
[10:15:11] pontiki: and just keep accreting
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[10:38:22] arup_r: I am back
[10:38:38] arup_r: strcmp1: fxn said me the same thing :p
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[10:40:30] arup_r: since morning I am fixing my tools.. not a single line of code.
[10:40:41] arup_r: unproductive you can say me
[10:40:56] jhass: maybe seek a career in QA?
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[10:43:00] arup_r: jhass: :/
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[10:43:30] arup_r: I want to be like you who knows computer in and out
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[10:46:42] rushed: arup_r: there is too much to know, you have to be selective
[10:48:10] arup_r: rushed: yes.. true
[10:48:52] strcmp1: unless you are jhass, then you know everything
[10:49:34] strcmp1: jhass, what is the meaning of life?
[10:49:44] arup_r: life is cruel!
[10:50:12] strcmp1: only the beings within it are cruel.
[10:50:15] jhass: ask mr. conway, he made a game to answer that
[10:50:26] strcmp1: jhass, i like that better than 42 :)
[10:50:49] jhass: 42 is the answer to every question asked, not just that one
[10:51:42] strcmp1: but also that one.
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[12:04:50] arup_r: jerin: You can look at the API taster gem
[12:05:18] arup_r: but it don't work with Rails 4.2 .. I have no idea why so .
[12:07:42] arup_r: Guys, jobs of writing API in Rails is interesting ?
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[15:10:32] jyraff: pontiki: i'm working on calendar app. It has events and every 'event' has start time. User receive notification about this event 15 minutes before start time. So, if user delete 'event', email notification should dequeue from sidekiq queue.
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[15:13:07] pontiki: when do you fire the event email off?
[15:13:47] pontiki: i have to say, i have no idea how to delete a single job that is already queued in sidekiq
[15:13:52] Cancerguy: So if you cant access params/session data in models, are you meant to make custom functions like new/create to pass those in?
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[15:14:51] pontiki: Cancerguy: no
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[15:15:20] pontiki: just pass in the data from params/session that the model needs to use
[15:18:45] Cancerguy: pontiki, And where should I put the logic that, for example, determines if the logged_in user gets put into the seat1 or seat2 column?
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[15:22:03] pontiki: you can put it in a service object if it's rather complicated
[15:22:13] Cancerguy: alright thanks
[15:22:31] pontiki: or you could put it into the model itself
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[15:23:31] pontiki: i really have no clue what you mean by "seat1 or seat2 column" anyway
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[15:24:04] Cancerguy: I'm in the process of cutting out my code to show
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[15:27:58] Cancerguy: pontiki, http://pastie.org/private/ly9isahrccjymlwwd2wbw
[15:29:10] pontiki: that looks distinctively like a model validation
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[15:29:44] pontiki: but i would put that in the model, personally
[15:29:56] Cancerguy: pontiki, yeah I added the errors.add() after moving it to the model, but I have no access to current_user there
[15:30:35] pontiki: def seat_user(current_user)
[15:32:23] pontiki: something about the thing seems off still -- you create a new match for every user?
[15:32:45] Cancerguy: no, a user can create a match and another user can join an existing one
[15:33:01] pontiki: in which case wouldn't you know exactly which one is which?
[15:33:31] pontiki: do you have a join action in MatchesController?
[15:33:40] Cancerguy: True, however a user can just manually type in the link to host/join it's own game, for example
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[15:34:42] pontiki: which looks like what?
[15:35:46] Cancerguy: pontiki, /join/:match_id
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[15:37:00] pontiki: and what link do they use if they're hosting a match?
[15:37:44] Cancerguy: a POST request to /matches which is routed to match#create, and to join is send a post request to /join/:match_id
[15:38:26] pontiki: so you have two very distinct routes, and you know which of those users is the host and which is the other
[15:39:10] pontiki: so you really only need to validate that the match host is not the same as the match opponent
[15:39:18] pontiki: not which seat to slot them in
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[15:39:33] Cancerguy: pontiki, ah yeah, true
[15:39:44] Cancerguy: and that it's also not already full
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[15:42:01] Cancerguy: pontiki, So basically, set the match.opponent/host in the controller, and let the model validate it before saving?
[15:42:03] pontiki: in the join action, you check if the match is already full and respond appropriately
[15:42:55] pontiki: i'd add a #full? predicate to Match so it's easy to write and read
[15:43:40] pontiki: or you know, which ever way the logic is more readable
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[16:43:58] rhizome: good morning all
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[16:46:21] pontiki: hi rhizome
[16:46:46] pontiki: i found the best tool for writing ruby programs
[16:46:49] pontiki: http://www.w3.org/2010/Talks/01-08-steven-ten-euro-computer/FortranCodingForm.png
[16:47:48] rhizome: i have COBOL books sitting in my bookcase 8ft from where i'm sitting
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[16:59:16] pontiki: i'm sorry :) not sorry
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[17:18:24] gambl0re: what does this mean? "Cannot redirect to a parameter hash!"
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[17:20:49] rhizome: seems kinda self-explanatory
[17:21:22] gambl0re: if @recipe.update(recipe_params)
[17:21:22] gambl0re: redirect_to @recipe
[17:21:22] gambl0re: render 'edit'
[17:21:31] gambl0re: i dont see any issues here...
[17:21:49] gambl0re: pretty straight forward...but its giving me that error message
[17:22:30] gambl0re: theres also a @recipe = Recipe.find(params[:id]) in the begenning of the function
[17:22:46] gambl0re: if anyone can help me out, send me a pm thanks
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[17:45:04] shapeshifter: Hi. I've set up a rails application (spree) for a staging/production deployment with capistrano 3. Problem is, the javascripts and stylesheets assets are not being served. In fact, I don't think they're being generated either. I'm using capistrano/rails to build the assets. I can also see in the capistrano output that *some* assets are built, but not css/js.
[17:45:09] shapeshifter: Gemfile http://ix.io/kDL Capfile http://ix.io/kDM capistrano output when building assets http://lpaste.net/687490209570357248 and for example, all.css isn't getting served/built. If I look for it in current, this is all I find: http://lpaste.net/2083613541528502272
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[17:45:33] timh: morning, all
[17:47:15] shapeshifter: I've spent the last 4 hours trying every possible permutation of config variables in Gemfile, Capfile config/deploy.rb and config/application.rb to no avail. The javascripts/stylesheets from app/assets are simply not being built on rake assets:precompile
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[17:53:30] rhizome: shapeshifter: in that there are no versions in public/assets?
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[18:03:28] rhizome: gambl0re: recipe_path(@recipe)
[18:03:29] shapeshifter: rhizome: well there are some things in public/assets, but not everything: http://lpaste.net/3139573067051696128
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[18:04:27] rhizome: you know, if you use gist, you can put multiple files on one page
[18:04:46] gambl0re: that gives me the same error messsage
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[18:06:29] gambl0re: ok the redirect works
[18:07:17] gambl0re: but the redirect url in the url bar is http://localhost:3000/recipes/7?description=cool&title=alksdfjaslk%3Bdj
[18:07:29] gambl0re: shouldnt it just be http://localhost:3000/recipes/7
[18:07:46] rhizome: hard to tell from a 5-line paste
[18:08:01] gambl0re: what else do you want to see
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[18:08:05] gambl0re: what other files
[18:08:07] rhizome: yes, it "should" be the bare url
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[18:08:21] shapeshifter: I don't quite understand how rails links to assets in general. If I just run rails server locally (dev env), for example, all.css is linked as ttp://localhost:3000/assets/spree/frontend/all.self-33fc4a513acb9a5f3fd4ba26b89c94184e5d028c4bd40eee6736d3ccfea5c140.css?body=1 while on the server (staging) when I access the main page, all.css is linked as https://www.example.org/stylesheets/spree/fronte
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[18:08:43] rhizome: well, it seems you have something weird going on with @recipe in your update action
[18:09:08] rhizome: shapeshifter: are you precompiling in dev?
[18:10:04] gambl0re: there you go my friend...full controller. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2285e859dd7f5fa14d92
[18:10:44] shapeshifter: so one is ./assets/spree/frontend/all... and the other is ./stylesheets/spree/frontend/all... Plus, in the spree deployment guide (https://guides.spreecommerce.com/developer/manual-ubuntu.html#setting-up-nginx) , they say that the nginx config should include location ~ ^/(system|assets|spree)/ to serve static files - *but* that doesn't even include ./stylesheets - so how would nginx even serve th
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[18:11:02] rhizome: hello, is this thing on?
[18:11:33] shapeshifter: rhizome: I don't think so. In any case, I can run RAILS_ENV=staging bundle exec rake assets:precompile on the staging server in current and it has no effect. Same goes for bundle exec cap staging deploy:assets:precompile (it builds the stuff I linked previously, but not everything)
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[18:17:47] rhizome: rm the public/assets dir and try again
[18:19:06] rhizome: try to precompile again, i mean. also see if you checked in a public/assets
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[18:20:08] gambl0re: how do i write <div class="alert alert-<%=k%>"><%=v%></div> in haml?
[18:20:35] gambl0re: i tried .alert.alert-=k=v
[18:20:38] gambl0re: not working
[18:21:03] gambl0re: is it even possible?
[18:22:07] rhizome: i think you'd at least want some newlines
[18:23:56] shapeshifter: rhizome: I tried removing public/assets on the server and running RAILS_ENV=staging bundle exec rake assets:precompile - it compiled the same assets again (output: http://lpaste.net/140340). When you say to see if I checked in public/assets, you mean into git? The repo doesn't contain public/assets, rather public/spree/products/<bunch of numbers>. The files that are missing would be in app/assets
[18:24:02] shapeshifter: /{images,javascripts,stylesheets} and these are checked in, yes.
[18:24:53] rhizome: so what's your application.js/css?
[18:26:10] shapeshifter: Although I think that the majority of stuff should actually be coming from the spree bundle (i.e. they're present in ./shared/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/gems/spree_core-3.0.4/lib/generators/spree/install/templates/vendor/assets/{javascripts,stylesheets}. My application.js/css are in app/assets/{javascripts,stylesheets} and they're empty (templates with everything commented).
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[18:27:58] rhizome: doesn't there have to be something in there for the files to be served?
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[18:29:35] shapeshifter: rhizome: To be honest I don't know. I followed the official install guide for spree best as possible (since it's outdated in several regards). If I run it locally (dev env) it seems to work fine. But if I deploy it, most assets aren't there.
[18:30:41] rhizome: where is this official install guide?
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[18:31:55] shapeshifter: rhizome: https://guides.spreecommerce.com/developer/manual-ubuntu.html but it's using capistrano 2 among other things.
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[18:34:27] andywww: what would be the best way to post an array of lat/lng coordinates?
[18:34:37] andywww: to a create action
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[18:36:02] andywww: i???m thinking just post json then parse it into ruby at the controller
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[18:36:28] rhizome: shapeshifter: that's a deployment guide with some server stuff, nothing about applications themselves.
[18:36:56] shapeshifter: rhizome: spree is an application
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[18:37:32] maokomioko: Can someone tell me please how to properly display flash[:something] with cyrillic letters?
[18:37:40] rhizome: it assumes the application already exists and works. it's in the first sentence, "your Spree application."
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[18:37:58] maokomioko: I'm getting "????????????????????????" despite using i18n. Already tried .encode('utf-8')
[18:38:07] rhizome: anyway, it seems apparent that you haven't set up your asset manifests properly
[18:38:24] shapeshifter: rhizome: it does work locally, as I said. I can run rails server and get a working spree application locally.
[18:38:34] shapeshifter: rhizome: which also links to stuff like all.css properly.
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[18:41:05] rhizome: assuming that's all true, how would the asset pipeline know about all.css?
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[18:42:54] shapeshifter: rhizome: I don't know. It's all black magic to me at the moment.
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[18:45:02] shapeshifter: rhizome: may I send you 2 links to screenshots in query?
[18:45:44] rhizome: screenshots aren't going to help
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[18:46:13] shapeshifter: rhizome: they illustrate my confusion regarding this all.css asset
[18:46:47] Sheperson: What is a good location for custom validators?
[18:46:53] Sheperson: app/validators ?
[18:46:58] rhizome: sorry, but learning more about your confusion is not really relevant :P
[18:47:46] rhizome: you need the asset pipeline to see all.css, which i'm assuming is your custom css. the standard way of doing this is to include it in application.css
[18:48:15] shapeshifter: rhizome: no, it's not a custom css. It's included in spree. In the repo, it's contained in ./vendor/assets/stylesheets/spree/frontend/all.css
[18:48:43] rhizome: maybe seek out some other spree setup howtos
[18:48:47] rhizome: i'm sure there are a ton
[18:48:51] shapeshifter: rhizome: I have yet to customize *anything*. It's all vanilla.
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[19:00:46] gambl0re: how do i install imagemagick in order to use paperclip gwem
[19:00:56] gambl0re: i tried installing using npm but it didnt work
[19:01:18] kegan_: can someone tell me if what i'm doing is stupid
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[19:21:06] arup_r: kegan_: Your question ?
[19:21:25] arup_r: gambl0re: Your OS ?
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[19:35:30] rubyonrails706: how to use this :P
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[19:42:11] rhizome: you guys together?
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[19:53:22] hydrozen: is there a way to convert an expression to either true or false without using the double negation?
[19:53:29] hydrozen: rubocop doesnt like !!
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[19:55:30] slash_nick: hydrozen: in rails, #present? often does the trick...
[19:56:27] slash_nick: hydrozen: see also #blank?
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[20:07:01] gambl0re: how do i access the bootstrap stylesheet?...
[20:08:50] slash_nick: gambl0re: i'd use a text editor
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[20:14:41] slash_nick: pwnd_nsfw: or... "i give up, how do you do it?"
[20:15:16] pwnd_nsfw: I'm not gonna get caught up starting something again, but I'm sorta with you
[20:15:42] pwnd_nsfw: gambl0re, my suggestion is to never have to access the bootstrap stylesheet...
[20:15:47] pwnd_nsfw: You should make changes in a separate file
[20:15:48] slash_nick: gambl0re: i guess i don't get the question
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[20:16:55] slash_nick: that's right... you'd typically compile the bootstrap stylesheet, and later, if there's something you want to tweak, override it...
[20:17:40] pwnd_nsfw: I work with a designer that started out editting the bootstrap file directly
[20:17:59] pwnd_nsfw: And he messed up the syntax quite a bit. There was like... 10 lines there were like color: "##......."
[20:18:30] pwnd_nsfw: And it took a while because upload to heroku, it doesn't give you the line number in the specific file
[20:18:39] pwnd_nsfw: because it's compiling the application css
[20:19:00] pwnd_nsfw: and I wasn't receiving any errors when doing it on my local machine... for whatever reason *shrugs*
[20:19:25] pwnd_nsfw: So, I was checking every file except that. I told him I like to load it from the cdn, and he changed his ways
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[20:20:51] slash_nick: pwnd_nsfw: plus... if you need/want to upgrade bootstrap (bug fixed that affects you, major release), any overrides you've made are difficult to suss out
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[20:21:31] pwnd_nsfw: He doesn't really understand the developer bit, even outside of css
[20:21:46] pwnd_nsfw: He once designed a page that had input fields outside of the form
[20:22:08] pwnd_nsfw: and that was the only way to mkae it look the way he wanted. Or, rather, I didn't have the time to do it because I had a million other things to do
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[20:22:53] pwnd_nsfw: I made some hacky fix for it in js, then next day client was like NAH DONT WANT THAT ANYMORE
[20:22:59] pwnd_nsfw: I was pretty frustrated at that point
[20:23:27] slash_nick: pwnd_nsfw: no JS chops to get the weird ass look + the required behavior?
[20:23:58] pwnd_nsfw: ^^ I did get it to work
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[20:25:40] arup_r: I know a designer in our team, who put the error message code inside the <head> tag. And asked you have backend issue
[20:25:40] slash_nick: i lump look-and-feel, design, UX, UI all together... i'd expect someone writing css to have an understanding of html and js as well
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[20:26:02] pwnd_nsfw: slash_nick, yeah, it's rough haha
[20:26:09] pwnd_nsfw: Or atleast know how a form works.
[20:26:33] pwnd_nsfw: He's pretty good at responsive design, he just doesn't know jack about the developer end of it.
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[20:27:12] slash_nick: maybe he'll develop an interest :)
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[20:27:59] pwnd_nsfw: I know he has it, he's just been swamped with design work. He found me in a bootcamp we were doing together. He initially asked me to take a look at someone's PHP site. Vietnamese company had wrote it initially
[20:28:03] pwnd_nsfw: And holy crap, disgusting.
[20:28:13] pwnd_nsfw: There was an assets directory in just about every folder lol
[20:28:24] pwnd_nsfw: No MVC practices, stuff was everywhere.
[20:28:52] pwnd_nsfw: Ended up pitching "yo, lets make a rails site"
[20:29:17] arup_r: well, you guys carry on.. For me time to go bed!
[20:29:38] turbo_MaCk: pwnd_nsfw: looks like you do not like this guy much #lol
[20:30:04] pwnd_nsfw: Just the client. Designer is a pretty cool guy
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[20:30:22] sivsushruth: https://colah.github.io/posts/2015-09-NN-Types-FP/
[20:30:43] pwnd_nsfw: It's terrible when a client doesn't really know what they want out of their business... And has you revise it every step of the way. If I was on hourly, I would've loved it. That's job security there, pretty much haha
[20:30:46] turbo_MaCk: clients... everybody knows the story...
[20:31:14] pwnd_nsfw: It's part of the job :P
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[20:32:44] turbo_MaCk: I enjoy working with product team much better
[20:33:06] pwnd_nsfw: I have yet to do so
[20:33:42] slash_nick: turbo_MaCk: ah i love both
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[20:34:28] turbo_MaCk: you can still work on as intern... much better than being in client - whatever relationship
[20:34:31] slash_nick: i think i'm with you though... i love a well running product team.
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[20:47:08] slash_nick: show-source, exit, and exit-program represents the extent of my knowledge of pry
[20:48:00] slash_nick: (wrong channel)
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[21:24:23] mices: to use action mailer do i have to install the gem first
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[21:52:39] mices: for development, it says (not in context of development but rather in production) that actionmailer allows the use of a remote mail server, so if i were to use that for development, how would i have the remote server (in my case a machine on my lan) forward the mail to my application which is on another machine on the lan
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[22:06:08] bootstrappm: hey all. I generated a scaffold with `rails g scaffold company name:string country:references` kind of thing and app/views/companies/_form.html.slim has the field for country as a text_field ??? is that normal?
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[22:17:34] VeryBewitching: bootstrappm: Yes.
[22:18:02] VeryBewitching: bootstrappm: I use this https://github.com/mlitwiniuk/localized_country_select
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[22:50:27] mices: if i build a mailer app to receive and parse mail i can test it without actually receiving mail?
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[22:52:01] mices: if i use mailman in pop mode that would seemingly solve the problem in development but then after deployment i'd be gathering mail by pop on the same machine the mail server is running on
[22:52:58] mices: or i could switch to a different type of receiver in mailman after deployment
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[23:03:49] mices: from reading the one page user guide to mailman it doesn't seem to give you all the mail object attributes that actionmailer does, with actionmail i get everything nice and neat email.body, email.subject, email.attachment ... where is all that in mailman?
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[23:40:28] rhizome: why are you using mailman
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[23:49:41] mices: i don't think i'm gonna use it
[23:50:26] mices: i wanna receive emails parse them and place the object into the database
[23:50:45] mices: i mean without parsing ha ha
[23:51:03] rhizome: some mailservers will deliver to databases directly
[23:53:12] mices: will sendmail?
[23:53:36] rhizome: sendmail is an MTA
[23:53:50] rhizome: "deliver" may have been the wrong word
[23:55:50] mices: so i can configure let's says popa3d to send mail to a user to a database instead of waiting for the user to gather it?
[23:56:12] mices: mail addressed to a user
[23:56:20] rhizome: i'm not 100% sure i know what your goal is
[23:57:49] mices: emails sent to my address are put into a database with columns for each email field to,from,subject,body,attachments
[23:58:33] rhizome: your personal emails?
[23:58:38] mices: actually just the subject, body and attachment would go into the database
[23:58:42] mices: no, news items
[23:58:59] mices: gathering news from providers that don't have rss feeds but have mailing lists
[23:59:14] mices: i have to filter it