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[00:06:13] tubbo: god i fucking hate CSS
[00:06:16] tubbo: worst language ever made
[00:06:42] tubbo: oh yeah that's totally what i want, to have to keep in my head the entire DOM structure just to change the fucking background color. whose idea was this
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[01:36:20] sevenseacat: merry christmas to all :)
[01:38:08] VeryBewitching: Merry Christmas sevenseacat!
[01:38:34] havenwood: Merry Christmas!
[01:38:49] havenwood: ruby-install ruby 2.3.0 --sha256 ec7579eaba2e4c402a089dbc86c98e5f1f62507880fd800b9b34ca30166bfa5e
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[01:44:10] sevenseacat: now thats a true christmas present
[01:45:42] Papierkorb: Still not in ArchLinux repos .. meaning I'll be able to break my rails app starting tomorrow, and not now :(
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[02:22:18] mices: on this page http://www.w3schools.com/bootstrap/tryit.asp?filename=trybs_dropdown-menu&stacked=h they tell you to create a button with a class of dropdown-toggle but then they create the button with a class of "btn btn-primary dropdown-toggle" anyone can explain
[02:23:21] mices: in other words, as long as dropdown-toggle is included in the class name it'll work?
[02:24:29] mices: merry christmas everybody
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[02:34:18] sevenseacat: well, checking the bootstrap docs (instead of a crappy third-party site) would tell you that btn and btn-primary are used for styling. you know, what css classes are actually for.
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[02:50:41] VeryBewitching: mices: Look in your IRC logs for the two links I gave you yesterday.
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[02:51:31] sevenseacat: VeryBewitching: nice.
[02:52:09] VeryBewitching: sevenseacat: Tis the season to give ;)
[02:52:53] mices: sevenseacat: can you link me to the page?
[02:53:07] VeryBewitching: And take, it seems.
[02:53:09] sevenseacat: to the bootstrap docs? http://getbootstrap.com enjoy.
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[02:55:11] VeryBewitching: mices: http://logs.ryanbigg.com/RubyOnRails?date=2015-12-24#4835026
[02:55:54] sevenseacat: VeryBewitching: so you directed them to a link, then did it again, then they asked me for the exact same link? nice.
[02:56:10] sevenseacat: mices: start paying attention, please.
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[03:12:09] mices: is css.scss a valid sass extension?
[03:13:19] mices: nm the css is working, just nothing happens when i click
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[03:17:05] VeryBewitching: I'm glad I made the choice to put a little *more* Bailey's in this current cup of coffee.
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[03:22:01] shibly: Anyone there? Or all gone for hollyday?
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[04:10:23] brycesenz: anyone hanging out?
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[04:58:37] mices: how do i put my image all the way on the left and my button all the way on the right in the same banner div
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[05:55:24] mices: merry christmas everybody
[05:55:54] mices: how do i make css in scoped files take precedence over application.css
[05:56:54] mices: i think they already do have precedence but it says in application.css that styling in this file will take precedence to scoped files
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[06:53:18] mices: what would happen if i changed the name of the edit action, would the form submit get routed to update action
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[10:08:07] havenwood: railsTrio: Merry Christmas
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[14:01:25] vasilakisFiL: has anyone tried to run rails with frozen strings all over (ruby 2.3 I guess) ? Just wondering the performance gains
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[14:09:07] fox_mulder_cp: where i can save file with msmtp connection module?
[14:09:38] fox_mulder_cp: Invalid delivery method :msmtp
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[16:34:49] arup_r: I wrote my own custom error pages and now trying to run test.. But I am not able to understand how should I test 505 page.. I tried to stub #index action and render some random page which might result in 505 and I'll get my test as GREEN. That trick didn't work.. any hints? https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/337b1846aa66ce0fe162
[16:35:06] arup_r: sorry 500 page **
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[17:05:54] fox_mulder_cp: arup_r: you test app server or frontend?
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[17:06:23] arup_r: this is my feature spec .. so yes I am doing integration test..
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[17:06:48] arup_r: Somehow I want to make an exception inside the Rails app .. so that it renders my 500 page
[17:08:04] arup_r: vist "some/path" will always do an HTML request.. any way, I can make some other request like xml or whatever.. Because if I do an XML request to the Sites#index action, Rails wouldn't find any match view and it will raise 500
[17:08:24] arup_r: but.. no idea how to do so.. I am keep looking for some simple ideas..
[17:09:46] Papierkorb: arup_r: Can't tell you if that is considered good practice, but I had a 'test_error' route only active in test env to try stuff like that
[17:10:09] arup_r: humm ^^ I do also thinking the same
[17:10:27] arup_r: where you put the action for that route though ?
[17:10:38] arup_r: in any controller I was thiking..
[17:11:07] Papierkorb: I put it in the ErrorsController, but that controller literally managed logged errors, so YMMV
[17:11:27] arup_r: I thought also like to enable a route like you said when rails.env.test? and then map it to a action and then don't add any view for that.. and rails will do raise error when there is no matching voew
[17:12:11] Papierkorb: arup_r: Then I'd just do a "raise RuntimeError, 'Test error'" in the action method to test my code and not rails error recovery (which might change later on)
[17:12:48] Papierkorb: You can leave out the RuntimeError parameter of course, but I added it for clarity that I indeed wanted to raise a runtime error.
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[17:13:47] arup_r: yes.. thanks for sharing.. I am also going to do that.. That is dead simple to make it GREEN
[17:13:50] arup_r: thanks Papierkorb
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[17:43:08] stel_ro: hello guys, i am coming from c/c++, can you please suggest me good ruby book or e-book to read and rails respectivly ?
[17:45:34] Papierkorb: stel_ro: haven't read it, but it has good reviews and is free over xmas: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QK2T1SY
[17:45:45] Papierkorb: stel_ro: (Props to the books author: https://www.reddit.com/r/rails/comments/3xshyl/give_the_gift_of_learn_ruby_on_rails_for_free/ )
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[17:47:12] fox_mulder_cp: stel_ro: official blog manual
[17:47:36] fox_mulder_cp: very easy and cool
[17:47:40] Papierkorb: stel_ro: oh yeah, those http://guides.rubyonrails.org/
[17:48:31] fox_mulder_cp: sam ruby, dave thomas and DHH authors for search
[17:48:45] FailBit: ruby 2.3.0 released
[17:48:48] FailBit: go get 'em
[17:48:49] fox_mulder_cp: agile web demelopment with rails 4 and ruby 2
[17:49:07] fox_mulder_cp: FailBit: and what about rails 5 beta?
[17:49:28] FailBit: still nope
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[17:52:38] FailBit: https://twitter.com/UNTRESOR/status/677845118469152768
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[17:57:07] JonasOSDever: Hello, right now I'm trying to install the Rails 5 beta gem on Windows. It fails building the native extension for hiredis, but I don't have a redis server anyways, so is there a way of getting gem install rails5 running without it?
[17:59:05] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: oh. beta and windows... i think, that is a bad idea
[17:59:42] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: but now i want try r5 too
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[18:11:45] FailBit: https://i.imgur.com/yYyl7l4.png
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[18:19:31] JonasOSDever: fox_mulder_cp: Meh, already assumed it's not a good idea. Windows is my main development OS though :/
[18:23:10] Papierkorb: JonasOSDever: My condolences. You could however try using a linux VM to play with it using VirtualBox. Maybe Vagrant would be of help to you too (Never used Vagrant for development stuff nor on windows though)
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[18:29:02] JonasOSDever: Papierkorb: Danke fuers Beileid ;) Well actually I could setup a VM for that, it's just I wanted to know if there's a way without that because a) I hate working with one monitor only and b) Deutsche Telekom AG will slow my connection after a certain download limit -- which is why I avoid set up VMs needing images to download
[18:29:24] JonasOSDever: But it appears it's the only way right now... Well, gotta push the (traffic) limits
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[18:44:14] arup_r: I am not able to save the screenshot https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/9173c8fc8c7ff85e9329 how to do so ?
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[18:46:08] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: all unix technologies use linux as preferred system
[18:46:24] FailBit: but I'm using freebsd
[18:47:16] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: as for me - i use windows sicne 3.1 linux sicne 2005 and have a vm with linux for perl,bash, and rails
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[18:47:53] fox_mulder_cp: my linux vm live in azure, and it's ok
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[18:48:43] JonasOSDever: fox_mulder_cp: As for my laptop in school and for my servers I also prefer linux. And surely it's a great OS. But for some reason I don't want to switch my desktop due to the lack of VS ^^
[18:49:16] FailBit: >inb4 VS for linux
[18:50:02] JonasOSDever: Well as for VS Code yes. But it lacks the rest of the IDE as of now, so...
[18:50:15] JonasOSDever: The compiler is actually crap, but the IDE itself is the nicest I know
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[18:50:49] diegoviola: vim > that shit
[18:51:18] FailBit: I use vim for everything
[18:51:22] FailBit: but I do miss VS
[18:51:41] diegoviola: neovim is also coming along nicely
[18:52:02] arup_r: any hints ??
[18:53:56] FailBit: not supported by driver?
[18:54:00] FailBit: I don't know
[18:55:48] fox_mulder_cp: wow, wow, rails 5 easy and cool:)
[18:56:19] fox_mulder_cp: i'm imstall r5 beta for some stpes
[18:56:48] JonasOSDever: VIM is life, I agree, but it doesn't have a debugger or profiler so :D
[18:56:54] FailBit: https://i.imgur.com/YMeIpyH.jpg
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[19:03:55] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: for vim/emacs you can connect your coffe machine, garage doors, cat's eat composer and freezer
[19:04:27] fox_mulder_cp: so, you can't say 'don't have'. you must say 'don't include' :)
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[19:05:17] JonasOSDever: Well you can also say the other way around, if you want to VS to have these features, write a plugin. :p
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[19:06:15] JonasOSDever: Maybe it's just a personal preference, but I'm used to it and so is that. Port it, together with Adobe PSE (no, not GIMP) and Adobe PRE to linux and I won't rely on Windows anymore
[19:06:25] JonasOSDever: But we're really getting off-topic
[19:06:38] JonasOSDever: Seems like I'll have to setup some VMs later this evening
[19:07:25] diegoviola: just run windows in VM when you need to or use wine and then ditch the VM when you're done
[19:07:44] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: win8+ have a hyper-v feature onboard. iinstall ubuntu 15.10 on it and rails, for a half o'clock, ceep calm and code on
[19:08:16] fox_mulder_cp: u yeasterday reinstall my lxc vm for rails for a ~7 minutes
[19:08:18] JonasOSDever: I do have Windows Server, Hyper-V is not an issue. And Debian FTW :p
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[19:08:52] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: win8 pro/ent have hyper-v feature onboard too
[19:08:54] JonasOSDever: As I said, the main problem is that my monthly internet traffic is limit by my ISP (w/o alternative), so...
[19:08:58] fox_mulder_cp: you not need a server
[19:09:10] JonasOSDever: ik, but getting it for free as a student... why not :D
[19:09:15] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: 2015 year and traffic limits?
[19:09:52] fox_mulder_cp: oh, crazy world. so, ubuntu-minimal - ~200mb image + minimal packages to developmnet
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[19:10:16] JonasOSDever: fox_mulder_cp: Welcome to the German countryside
[19:10:35] diegoviola: archlinux > ubuntu
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[19:10:42] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: oh, i'm from Kiev, Ukraine
[19:11:01] JonasOSDever: We don't even have landlines
[19:11:06] JonasOSDever: I have to use crappy LTE
[19:11:29] fox_mulder_cp: diegoviola: centos, ubuntu are ok. debian so older, but crazy stabile for prodaction
[19:11:49] diegoviola: fox_mulder_cp: archlinux is stable
[19:11:57] diegoviola: fox_mulder_cp: I've been using it for years
[19:12:07] fox_mulder_cp: diegoviola: oh, think as..
[19:12:09] diegoviola: fox_mulder_cp: actually, Linux in general *is* stable
[19:12:40] fox_mulder_cp: diegoviola: stable = i for modern as ubuntu and stable as debian
[19:12:48] fox_mulder_cp: stable - older
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[19:17:00] arup_r: I figured out.. nvm
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[19:19:47] diegoviola: fox_mulder_cp: one of the points of linux is to have a stable kernel where things *never* break so the distro is sort of irrelevant... the changes between debian and arch are just in the release process, one is release based and the other one is rolling release
[19:20:05] fox_mulder_cp: diegoviola: i know it, thanks
[19:20:20] diegoviola: there are of course more changes, political, patches applied, etc
[19:20:26] diegoviola: package managers
[19:20:30] fox_mulder_cp: distro - only politic for a releasing, updateing, maintaining etc
[19:20:49] fox_mulder_cp: but debian older version, ubuntu - modern
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[19:22:11] diegoviola: Debian have more than one branch though
[19:22:33] diegoviola: you can always run sid/experimental if you want newer software
[19:22:51] diegoviola: or use backports
[19:23:15] diegoviola: I personally would just use CentOS 7 on a server
[19:23:22] diegoviola: because I like systemd
[19:23:38] diegoviola: although debian also has that now
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[19:24:14] fox_mulder_cp: diegoviola: i think, that debian sid on large production sites bad idea
[19:24:23] Papierkorb: diegoviola: Thank god for that. Systemd is fantastic.
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[19:24:33] fox_mulder_cp: BlogApp % git log --oneline| wc -l ?????????
[19:24:35] diegoviola: fox_mulder_cp: yeah I didn't said you should use sid for a server
[19:24:39] diegoviola: fox_mulder_cp: stick to stable for that
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[19:24:49] fox_mulder_cp: diegoviola: stable = older
[19:25:09] fox_mulder_cp: ubuntu server with it half=year releases very good for servers
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[19:25:33] diegoviola: fox_mulder_cp: yeah sure
[19:25:36] Papierkorb: horrific for servers IMO. Resetup the server every half a year? Uargh
[19:25:42] fox_mulder_cp: my bloff app from agle rails book has 1000 commits :)
[19:25:50] fox_mulder_cp: Papierkorb: why? upgrade
[19:26:02] Papierkorb: fox_mulder_cp: Sometimes it just breaks.
[19:26:03] fox_mulder_cp: centos can't be upgrade, resetup only
[19:26:19] diegoviola: CentOS have many years of support usually so I tend to just use that for servers
[19:26:32] fox_mulder_cp: by official, but ubuntu/debian/gentoo/freebsd upgraded ok
[19:26:40] fox_mulder_cp: diegoviola: and oolder as debian too
[19:26:45] Papierkorb: Rolling releases is one of my reasons for not even looking anymore at non-rolling release based distros.
[19:27:00] fox_mulder_cp: i now have 6 freebsd, centos4, debian 4 at some sites
[19:27:17] Papierkorb: Debian 4 is long past its end of life ..
[19:27:24] fox_mulder_cp: older, creazy older for a 10 years. but it works
[19:27:55] fox_mulder_cp: Papierkorb: now i relearn rails for building my own shared application/sites hosting web panel
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[19:28:25] fox_mulder_cp: i'm hostmaster and this older distro without security fixes make me cry
[19:28:30] Papierkorb: Sounds like a useful application at that. Make sure to get authentication right though ..
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[19:29:21] Papierkorb: fox_mulder_cp: Like for those Debian Etch servers?
[19:29:40] fox_mulder_cp: oh. i use plesk, ispconfg, proxmox, ispmanager.. php - suxx
[19:29:50] fox_mulder_cp: proxmox ok, but
[19:30:36] fox_mulder_cp: i really want use docker containers - for php app - apche + php at container + nginx for front
[19:31:07] fox_mulder_cp: and add to users upload it's own dockerfile for it's own app hosting
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[19:32:29] fox_mulder_cp: postfix, postrges, powerdns, rainloop, pureftp
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[19:50:24] fox_mulder_cp: hm. rails 5 are ok as foor me. may redeploy by blogapp for him
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[19:56:47] JonasOSDever: Btw, just saying, Debian 8 IS using systemd
[19:57:01] JonasOSDever: Supports Sys-V-Init in terms of compatibility as well, however
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[20:04:12] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: .. and 2.4 apache, which has new configs
[20:04:30] JonasOSDever: Oh cmon, who is using apache anyways :D
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[20:04:41] fox_mulder_cp: i have very well game for fixing virtualhost configs for a some day
[20:04:55] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: i'm hostmaster at 1+ project
[20:05:02] JonasOSDever: Simply use nginx and you're fine :p
[20:05:09] JonasOSDever: jk, I know how hard porting configs is
[20:05:32] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: when nginx can parse apache .htaccess, i do it :)
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[20:05:54] fox_mulder_cp: all php cms use this shit (.htaccess)
[20:07:10] JonasOSDever: What size of htaccess-Files are we talking about? Because nginx can handle the stuff in it's config files as well, having provided the right modules
[20:07:30] JonasOSDever: If it's just some auth-basic and rewriting it shouldn't be a too big problem
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[20:07:46] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: nginx can't parse .htaccess anyway
[20:08:01] fox_mulder_cp: big problem for clients
[20:08:09] fox_mulder_cp: nginx - front+cache, apache as app server
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[20:08:17] fox_mulder_cp: in shared hostings
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[20:09:38] JonasOSDever: But honestly, if it's just an auth-basic config and a few rewrites try convincing them of rewriting it. I doubt clients will do it as managers are like 'it worked in 1950, so it works now as well' but meh
[20:09:57] JonasOSDever: Actually I don't see what htaccess supports that nginx doesn't (with a different syntax)
[20:10:34] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: nginx has a politic - no .htaccess file analog
[20:10:55] fox_mulder_cp: apche rereads all .htaccess i recursion for a ALL query
[20:11:08] fox_mulder_cp: for one query it rereads all site dirs strucrute
[20:12:15] JonasOSDever: Well you can actually include config files from subdirs but I understand that's not possible, if the apps use a htaccess-File for each subdir
[20:13:08] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: so, all php cms use it. so all shared hosting must use apache + nginx
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[20:14:00] JonasOSDever: fox_mulder_cp: Poor you :(
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[20:17:51] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: :) no, after some years on hosting as support, as hostmaster, i know, how to make my own hosting :)
[20:19:16] JonasOSDever: I agree... Yet it seems quite odd to me being bound to one specific server just of one (ineffective) way of controlling access
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[20:25:18] JonasOSDever: As far as I understood you are only using apache because of that one file, which is parsed at every request
[20:25:48] fox_mulder_cp: JonasOSDever: not one file. it search and parse all .htaccess in site dir structure
[20:26:03] JonasOSDever: one type of file then
[20:26:19] JonasOSDever: Yet the point it that it does re-read the whole structure on every request
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[20:44:00] VeryBewitching: Merry Christmas folks.
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[20:50:41] diegoviola: is it fine to start using &. in my app rather than #try?
[20:51:00] diegoviola: that will make my app ruby 2.3 only, right?
[20:51:09] diegoviola: (which is fine with me)
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[20:54:29] tbuehlmann: diegoviola, it's rather #try! than #try
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[20:56:50] tbuehlmann: and I think it's okay to use it
[20:57:54] diegoviola: what's the difference with #try and #try! though?
[20:58:33] tbuehlmann: "Same as try, but will raise a NoMethodError exception if the receiver is not nil and does not implement the tried method."
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[21:18:03] diegoviola: is it a good practice to specify the ruby version in the Gemfile?
[21:18:07] diegoviola: like ruby "2.3.0"
[21:18:20] diegoviola: do you guys do that?
[21:18:55] fox_mulder_cp: on server may installed many ruby and rails version
[21:19:08] fox_mulder_cp: code may cause exeptions or conflicts
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[21:25:43] diegoviola: method&.send(:foo) might be the same as method.try!(:foo), no?
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[21:29:34] tbuehlmann: diegoviola, depends on #send
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[21:29:40] tbuehlmann: why would you call send anyway?
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[21:33:14] diegoviola: yeah calling my method directly is fine
[21:33:17] diegoviola: the syntax just confused me
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[21:36:10] diegoviola: - where(code: 'login_interval').average(:value).try(:round, 2)
[21:36:12] diegoviola: + where(code: 'login_interval').average(:value)&.round(2)
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[22:43:06] FailBit: He's making a database, and sorting it twice
[22:43:10] FailBit: SELECT * FROM contacts WHERE behavior = 'nice';
[22:43:16] FailBit: SQL Clause is coming to town
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[23:00:04] fox_mulder_cp: Meery Tesla X :) be happy http://newscodex.com/tesla-model-x-can-perform-a-christmas-light-show-all-by-itself-290a7813a4de43088e9de9eab70ed80e
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[23:23:02] Radar: GOOD MORNING
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[23:29:41] ponzii: New to Rails. What's the scope of a controller? It seems at first glance that a controller can service any arbitrary group of routes.
[23:31:02] Radar: ponzii: yes, a controller can match as many routes as it feels like
[23:31:15] Radar: ponzii: Typically though those routes are meant for a single "resource", i.e. the Post model
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[23:33:26] ponzii: Radar: Radar: So it's 1 model : 1 controller?
[23:33:31] Radar: ponzii: typically yes
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