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[08:21:25] dminuoso: Mmm. Why does Phoenix throw request body and URL params into one thing?
[08:21:33] dminuoso: This is rather annoying. :(
[08:23:53] Nicd-: what issues does it cause you?
[08:24:47] dminuoso: I mean yeah I guess I can just pattern match on the conn and extract the body and params manually, it'd been much nicer if phoenix didn't pretend that throwing both into one argument was "the right thing to do"
[08:25:19] Nicd-: I guess their way of looking at it is that you shouldn't have the same things in both anyway
[08:25:47] dminuoso: Nicd-: That's besides the point.
[08:26:16] dminuoso: Nicd-: Perhaps you want to preserve the body in shape.
[08:26:23] Nicd-: it's not, since Phoenix is an opinionated framework. that's the answer to your "why?"
[08:26:42] dysfun: phoenix is very opinionated
[08:26:57] dysfun: and it's not suitable for every use, just for the common ones
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[08:30:10] zakora: Is there a way to execute a .exs file in a project context? For example being able to call the same functions as I would inside "iex -S mix"
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[08:30:36] dminuoso: zakora: mix run?
[08:30:57] Nicd-: hello, fellow Finnish person!
[08:32:24] zakora: dminuoso: that did it! thanks
[08:33:24] zakora: Moi Nicd- :) (one of the only words of Finnish I know)
[08:33:32] dysfun: Nicd-: i miss finnglish
[08:34:00] Nicd-: zakora: moi moi :) I'm just excited to see Elixir programmers in Finland (judging by your hostname)
[08:34:34] Nicd-: dysfun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAGbrM-MMRk
[08:36:12] dysfun: Nicd-: i remember from my time at nokia... <blah blah> failing test case <blah blah blah>
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[08:36:48] Nicd-: we definitely do that because tech terms in Finnish are stupid
[08:37:13] dysfun: if you were determined to say failing test case in finnish, what would it be?
[08:37:16] Nicd-: "<blah blah blah> epƤonnistuva testitapaus <blah blah blah>"
[08:37:32] Nicd-: though maybe "testi" is an anglism and not allowed
[08:37:41] dysfun: yeah, english is easier
[08:38:09] Nicd-: pattern matching = hahmonsovitus = figure fitting šŸ¤·
[08:38:43] dysfun: dutch is like this too
[08:39:04] dysfun: and their word for 'tail' is 'staart', for extra fun
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[08:39:57] Nicd-: but when the swedes go fast, they go "full fart". hee hee hee
[08:41:08] dysfun: sounds like finnish is as euphemistic as dutch tbh
[08:41:17] dysfun: some great euphemisms in dutch
[08:41:41] dysfun: like 'mierenneuker' (ant-fucker) for a stupid rule follower
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[08:42:10] Nicd-: we have "comma fucker" when you are too strict over little details
[08:42:18] dysfun: ah, similar
[08:42:33] Nicd-: it's pilkunnussija
[08:43:21] Nicd-: more sfw version is pilkunviilaaja, "comma filer" (filing as in wood file)
[08:43:59] dysfun: ACTION has never bothered himself with such contortions to his speech
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[09:42:50] dminuoso: Does ecto have a way to f
[09:42:55] dminuoso: Does ecto have a way to find a record based on a changeset?
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[09:48:13] dysfun: if it's inserted, you can use the id
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[10:37:34] hypercore: how can i change the port phoenix looks at for postgres?
[10:38:11] Nicd-: have you tried setting `port` in the db config?
[10:39:08] hypercore: Nicd-: not sure where the db config file is, could only see "5432" showing up in deps/, but im pretty sure i shouldn't touch that
[10:39:36] Nicd-: it depends how you configure your DB
[10:39:43] Nicd-: possibly in a config file inside the config/ folder
[10:41:41] hypercore: Nicd-: oh i think i got it, thanks
[10:42:04] Nicd-: docs: https://hexdocs.pm/ecto_sql/Ecto.Adapters.Postgres.html#module-options
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[11:22:05] dminuoso: Ecto queryables are constructed using `from u in "blah"`... what is that `in` inside there? Is that just a fragment of macro-based DSL?
[11:28:38] Nicd-: I believe it is the `in` operator but interpreted by the DSL in a different way
[11:34:10] hypercore: should there be a rel/config.exs and rel/config/config.exs?
[11:34:29] Nicd-: they may be for different purposes
[11:34:44] Nicd-: the former configures the release generation, the latter is for runtime config of the system
[11:34:49] Nicd-: (usually)
[11:34:49] hypercore: in the context of this guide? -> https://hexdocs.pm/distillery/guides/working_with_docker.html
[11:35:00] hypercore: oh ok, so i have to create rel/config/ ?
[11:35:05] hypercore: (if it doesn't exist)
[11:35:31] Nicd-: did you read it? https://hexdocs.pm/distillery/guides/working_with_docker.html#running-the-image
[11:35:51] Nicd-: probably best to read about Distillery config providers if you don't know how they work
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[11:50:55] shmink: I was getting pissed with no autocomplete or anything working with foo.html.eex files in vscode so I created a load of snippets if anyone is interested https://gist.github.com/shmink/407b00e4e230642b6e8448bb29ea5155
[11:51:12] shmink: Might make it into an extension in the future.
[11:51:18] shmink: ...if people like it.
[12:00:36] hypercore: anyone know what causes this error? -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vNkXnQRgC9/
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[12:01:19] Nicd-: well it says what causes it
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[12:09:42] hypercore: Nicd-:i'm just following the guide from -> https://hexdocs.pm/distillery/guides/working_with_docker.html
[12:11:25] dysfun: oh look, you missed the section where they fill out your rel/config.exs
[12:11:34] dysfun: but the message could have told you that
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[12:13:25] hypercore: dysfun: so this is wrong? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mmF6rqqMkr/
[12:13:31] hypercore: not sure what i've missed tbh
[12:14:30] dysfun: i'm guessing you've put it in the wrong place
[12:14:45] dysfun: but it's clear that it can't find it
[12:14:49] hypercore: it's in rel/config.exs
[12:16:52] dysfun: hrm, i don't see an actual mount in that dockerfile
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[12:19:35] ElixirNoob: Hello, I am reading the "Learn functional programming with Elixir book" and I've reached chapter 4 where it tries to introduce recursion
[12:19:57] ElixirNoob: there I see the Sum function which is defined like
[12:20:00] ElixirNoob: def up_to(0), do: 0
[12:20:06] ElixirNoob: def up_to(n), do: n + up_to(n - 1)
[12:20:43] ElixirNoob: now, I've seen this practive in the previous chapters as well (i.e define multiple functions) instead of using a conditional like if or cond
[12:20:45] hypercore: dysfun: you're pretty quick to judge :P
[12:21:00] dysfun: that's not multiple functions, that's multiple matches
[12:21:06] dysfun: they're part of one function
[12:21:27] ElixirNoob: is there a reason for that (avoiding cond/if)? I am using to using cond from lisp and my mind always thinks that way
[12:21:58] ElixirNoob: is it wrong or non-idiomatic to use conditionals ?
[12:22:18] benwilson512: ElixirNoob: pattern matching is a more broadly applicable approach. you can use if or cond with similar ease in this specific use case
[12:22:26] ElixirNoob: after all scheme/lisp *do* use cond/if :)
[12:22:37] dysfun: scheme/lisp don't have integrated pattern matching
[12:22:39] benwilson512: the learning material is likely working up towards pattern matching on list shapes which becomes dramatically more verbose if you don't pattern match
[12:23:36] dysfun: fwiw i almost never use 'if'
[12:24:09] benwilson512: pattern matching is an extremely powerful feature, even if the first sort of intro to it could be easily rendered with traditional conditionals, plenty of stuff going forward is much less ergonomic that way
[12:24:17] hypercore: should i submit a bug report for this guide? https://hexdocs.pm/distillery/guides/working_with_docker.html
[12:24:18] ElixirNoob: so you think I should try to change my mindset and stick to the pattern matching
[12:24:34] ElixirNoob: and try to avoid if/cond
[12:24:39] dysfun: yes, pattern matching will make a lot of nasty code go away on the whole
[12:24:41] benwilson512: ElixirNoob: yes, there is definitely a time for if and cond but
[12:24:59] benwilson512: for learning purposes avoid them almost entirely for now and then sprinkle them back in as they make sense later
[12:25:07] ElixirNoob: all right thanks !
[12:25:31] ElixirNoob: what about case? i think this uses pattern matching so it is idiomatic ?
[12:26:17] dysfun: that previous function could be rewritten as a case if you prefer, this is just shorter
[12:26:50] dysfun: there's an element of taste about this choice
[12:27:01] benwilson512: ElixirNoob: case is great, function head matching is great, both compile to the same thing performance wise
[12:27:07] benwilson512: so it's just a matter of what makes the code clearer
[12:27:21] ElixirNoob: think i got it thnks !
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[12:51:42] ElixirNoob: also has anybody read the book I mentioned ("Learn functional programming with Elixir book" by Ulisses Almeida) ? it seems very easy till now
[12:53:48] ElixirNoob: should I just drop it and move on to the Dave Thomas book ?
[12:55:36] benwilson512: ElixirNoob: I have not read it. The Dave Thomas book I have read and is very good, as is Elixir in Action. The latter does a particularly good job of introducing unique Elixir / Erlang concepts related to processes
[12:57:38] ElixirNoob: you mean things like genserver and stuff ?
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[13:25:34] hypercore: anyone got this error before? "** (RuntimeError) unknown release config setting `config_providers`"?
[13:25:47] hypercore: get it when i try to build a release
[13:26:07] hypercore: in the "==> Loading configuration" phase
[13:26:26] benwilson512: ElixirNoob: yes
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[13:28:21] ElixirNoob: oh well, i've tried to understand these a bit from answers to SO and stopped before my head exploded :/ so i'll definitely keep the "elixir in action" book in mind, thanks!
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[13:42:27] hypercore: is this article outdated? https://dockyard.com/blog/2018/08/23/announcing-distillery-2-0
[13:44:43] Nicd-: hypercore: we cannot help you without seeing your files
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[13:46:35] hypercore: Nicd-: here are my rel/config.exs and rel/config/config.exs files -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gWFJc7kc4f/
[13:48:24] Nicd-: I think your config providers should be in the environment section
[13:48:39] Nicd-: example of working rel config: https://gitlab.com/Nicd/mebe-2/blob/master/rel/config.exs
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[13:55:55] hypercore: Nicd-: hmm i moved it to :prod, but still getting the same error -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qgTtrx9sTb/
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[14:06:06] Nicd-: Do you have Distillery 2.0 in deps?
[14:09:14] hypercore: Nicd-: just figured this out a few minutes ago, running the release again atm
[14:09:28] hypercore: i always thought ~> 1.0 uses the latest version after version 1.0
[14:09:31] hypercore: but i guess that's wrong
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[14:11:06] hypercore: appreciate the help Nicd-, stupid error on my part
[14:11:23] Nicd-: ~> 1.0 is basically 1.x
[14:11:46] rbino: hypercore, if you want that you should use ">= 1.0"
[14:12:00] rbino: all the relevant details are here https://hexdocs.pm/elixir/Version.html
[14:12:04] hypercore: Nicd-: i.e. the latest 1.x version?
[14:12:21] hypercore: rbino: cool, thanks for that. I always see "~>" in examples, so thats just what i've always used
[14:12:38] hypercore: i guess you get less breakages using the ~> notation
[14:12:59] hypercore: is it considered bad practice to use >= on every package?
[14:13:05] rbino: yes because ideally people should use consistent APIs in minor releases if they follow semantic versioning
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[14:14:19] rbino: if you use >= a major update could break your code, while using ~> you are safe if the library author is a good person
[14:14:44] hypercore: yeah good point, probably better to stick with ~> then
[14:15:11] rbino: then again, the world is full of bad people (but they are all outside of the Elixir ecosystem fortunately)
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[14:16:44] rbino: a small detail that bit me in the past is that ~> 1.0 gets you 1.2 if available but ~> 1.0.0 does not (it would only get you 1.0.x if available)
[14:17:00] rbino: then again, reading the docs on Version makes everything clear
[14:22:13] hypercore: rbino: good to know, hopefully i remember
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[14:54:18] uncle_phil: If anyone is interested in the following VSCode snippets throw a star on it and I'll turn it into an extension https://gist.github.com/shmink/407b00e4e230642b6e8448bb29ea5155
[14:54:41] cjk101010: huh. how could that happen? 15:53:51.032 [error] Postgrex.Protocol (#PID<0.427.0>) disconnected: ** (DBConnection.ConnectionError) ssl send: closed
[14:55:11] cjk101010: all other applications (elixir applications as well) do work w/o problems
[14:55:24] cjk101010: could that happen due to a long-running transaction?
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[14:56:59] cjk101010: I do call Repo.transaction() with timeout: :infinity
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[15:03:29] Zarathu: chrismccord: i'm writing some liveviews now in anticipation of the release. qq: are the templates all going to have to be written as ~L multi-line strings, or will there be support for files like traditional templates?
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[15:05:39] cjk101010: hm, seems to be an timeout issue. setting (test-wise) :timeout to :infinity solves the problem.
[15:12:38] cjk101010: this seems wrong to meā€¦ what can I do to solve this problem correctly? I have a long-running transaction (a data import module) which can run several minutes up to an hour. I set timeout: :infinity on the Repo.transaction/2 call, but the database connection seems to break due to timeouts, on random other places
[15:13:33] cjk101010: I can solve this by setting timeout: :infinity on the repo config, but that's seems wrong to me
[15:17:22] hypercore: anyone know why i get this error when i try to run a custom command on my release? -> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nfvfPjwtx8/
[15:18:14] hypercore: do i have to alias App.ReleaseTasks somewhere?
[15:18:59] hypercore: or is there a way to always run migrate & seed when starting my release?
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[15:22:01] hypercore: (and it's release_tasks.ex, not release_tasks.exs)
[15:22:32] hypercore: using the cod from -> https://hexdocs.pm/distillery/guides/running_migrations.html
[15:26:00] hypercore: what's weird is that "migrate" and "seed" show up in custom commands when i run "./bin/app"
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[15:32:31] cjk101010: I posted on elixirforum about my problem with the ecto timeouts: https://elixirforum.com/t/timeout-errors-with-long-running-transactions/20879
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[15:46:40] hypercore: ignore my above messages, stupid mistake
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[16:04:45] hypercore: is there a way to run "mix ecto.create" in release_tasks?
[16:04:47] chrismccord: Zarathu both are supported. You can make an `.leex` template file, or do an inline ~L
[16:04:50] hypercore: or is that bad practice?
[16:05:41] hypercore: currently get this error (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DrgckMbPZZ/) when i try to run my app on deployment
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[16:49:20] hypercore: hmm no idea how to create this database automatically
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[17:11:15] gvaughn: I want to use a POSIX named class in a regex, but can't get the syntax right. I try ~r/[:punct:]/ but get "(Regex.CompileError) POSIX named classes are supported only within a class at position 0 " Anybody know how to do this?
[17:12:54] Nicd-: try `~r/[[:punct:]]/`
[17:14:00] gvaughn: Thanks! It works for me
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[19:20:34] Poeticode: for removing an associating (created with cast_assoc in their changeset), would I just clear out the foreign key column on that associated element?
[19:20:43] Poeticode: removing an association*
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[20:41:20] dysfun: lol chrismccord https://twitter.com/chris_mccord/status/1106291353670045696
[20:41:31] dysfun: at least we can give a new answer in here now
[20:42:21] Nicd-: LiveView confirmed
[20:42:28] Nicd-: does this mean... HL3 also confirmed?
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[21:02:44] hypercore: great job chris!
[21:09:59] dysfun: confirmed? it was already confirmed
[21:10:06] dysfun: it just wasn't online to look at
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[21:48:19] chrismccord: hypercore thanks!
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[22:00:05] markh: "why does the elixir community hate javascript?"
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[23:02:24] dysfun: well have you like used it?
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[23:17:58] toothfairy__: Hi, how do I correctly do the cast_assoc? (#17) Theres a review_id in the args, https://dpaste.de/YmEK
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