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[03:17:27] Nicd-: nickjj: yes that is typical
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[05:07:37] uplime: is there a way to pattern match a list with multiple values? I phrased that badly, but basically something like [(?\t or ?\n or ?\ ) | str]
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[05:11:53] cmk_zzz: [ x | str ] when x == ?\t or x == ?\n or x == ?\
[05:12:04] cmk_zzz: in a guard clause that is
[05:12:57] uplime: yeah, just found a post on the forum basically saying the same thing
[05:13:17] hypercore: any advice on my live view problem anyone?
[05:13:44] uplime: although it just recommended: x in '\t\n '
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[10:37:05] nickjj: Nicd-, i was reading a bit about module attributes, for something like a regexp that i'm calling a decent amount of times, would i see a performance improvement for using a module attribute + referencing it in the function instead of just inlining the regexp into a function?
[10:38:18] Nicd-: I think that if you have a function that always returns the same thing, the compiler may optimise it in some way. like `def foo(), do: @blah`
[10:38:27] nickjj: the docs hint that module attributes being called in a function have some optimizations that can happen at compile time but i'm not sure how that applies to something like a regexp in practice
[10:38:34] Nicd-: I remember reading that on here. but I don't know any specifics
[10:42:29] mdbm: my server module doesn't work:'(
[10:42:31] mdbm: https://pastebin.com/raw/RmP3pCNd
[10:42:48] mdbm: I use a library that sends files from my filesystem, one by one
[10:43:13] mdbm: Duper.PathFinder.start_link("C:/")
[10:43:15] mdbm: then I do:
[10:43:21] mdbm: Duper.PathFinder.next_path()
[10:43:26] dysfun: you know there are walker libraries already?
[10:43:26] mdbm: it returns a path
[10:43:38] mdbm: and next call to Duper.PathFinder.next_path() it crashes
[10:43:42] mdbm: I use a walker libary
[10:43:45] mdbm: library*
[10:44:20] mdbm: https://pastebin.com/raw/qRrmTdQk
[10:44:22] dysfun: well i'd say it's because you're putting nil in the state
[10:44:25] mdbm: dysfun, this is the error message ^
[10:45:36] dysfun: if you s/nil/walker/ it should fix it
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[10:49:32] mdbm: dysfun, thank you so much!
[10:50:12] dysfun: *shrug* things like that become kinda obvious after a while
[10:53:38] dysfun: oh god, part of my search term was 'elixir string' and of course i can't find anything now
[10:53:40] mdbm: dysfun, lol the code is not very readable yet for me... with time I can detect it easier... also all this new concepts make me tired
[10:53:53] mdbm: dysfun, what?
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[10:54:03] dysfun: oh, there are some guitar strings called "elixir"
[10:54:11] dysfun: they're a recurring joke in here
[10:54:30] dysfun: they have a habit of popping up in searches
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[10:55:31] mdbm: dysfun, when I do searchers on elixir I often end up on results about games
[10:55:38] Randyr: Hi. Rather than rendering some kind of page, I would like to just redirect on 404 (Phoenix). This doesn't seem possible in the error_view though. Where would I go about doing this?
[10:55:39] mdbm: I guess because of elixir potions or someth like that
[10:55:41] dysfun: and the main thing to remember about genserver etc. is all the handle_* you're supposed to return new state
[10:55:50] dysfun: from then on, any callbacks will be called with the new state
[10:55:55] dysfun: so if there's no change, you pass the old state
[10:56:07] mdbm: dysfun, got it, thanks
[10:56:10] dysfun: Randyr: fallback controller
[10:56:30] dysfun: or a catchall at the end
[10:56:50] Randyr: Isn't the fallback controller only defined for each controller specifically? How would the router know about it?
[10:57:21] dysfun: we have a global one at work
[10:59:31] mdbm: dysfun, would you see a reason why he use the constant @ for naming the process?
[10:59:33] mdbm: dysfun, https://pastebin.com/raw/LHME2r0q
[10:59:45] mdbm: dysfun, why not use __MODULE__ for the name of the process
[10:59:54] dysfun: i'd use __MODULE__ personally
[10:59:55] mdbm: (the constant @me*)
[11:00:29] dysfun: but if you were going to use a different name, metadata (which are not as good as constants because they can't be used outside of the module) are a good way
[11:01:19] dysfun: it's ultimately up to taste
[11:01:28] dysfun: i'm lazy, i'd rather just use __MODULE__
[11:01:47] mdbm: dysfun, metadata is the constant @me?
[11:01:59] dysfun: @<something> = metadata named <something>
[11:02:03] josevalim: I do @name __MODULE__ at the top
[11:02:24] mdbm: josevalim, why do you want a constant @name?
[11:02:32] dysfun: I do alias __MODULE__ sometimes
[11:02:44] josevalim: Just to make it clearer it is being used as a name
[11:02:49] dysfun: ACTION refuses to sit on the naughty step though
[11:03:02] josevalim: It is for readability
[11:03:18] dysfun: you shot that moons ago by not making it a lisp ;)
[11:03:37] mdbm: josevalim, if by convention you always use the module name for naming your process, it will not benefit in readability? (i'm really just beginning with elixir heh)
[11:04:01] dysfun: i'm not convinced it's much better either tbh, it's pretty clear it's a name from context
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[11:05:25] dysfun: maybe you work on lovely codebases where you're at a level to worry about such things
[11:05:38] dysfun: that would be a nice problem to have
[11:09:07] dysfun: a fatal error for undefined metadata would be nice
[11:09:40] dysfun: maybe that would tempt me round to your point of view
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[11:10:48] dysfun: josevalim: is there documentation about the precise format elixir accepts for strings? the syntax reference does not detail for example which escape sequences are processed
[11:11:27] dysfun: i assume it's more or less whatever ruby doe
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[11:13:25] mdbm: dysfun, the function call: DirWalker.next(dir_walker) returns a list of paths such as ["C:/$Recycle.Bin/S-1-5/$IF.pdf"] (but I will always have one file in the list)
[11:13:35] mdbm: dysfun, so i do the following to get the path: [path] = DirWalker.next(dir_walker)
[11:13:38] mdbm: but it crashes
[11:14:04] dysfun: is it because the last time it's an empty list?
[11:14:15] mdbm: https://pastebin.com/SuRz95j1
[11:14:31] mdbm: dysfun, there is a file
[11:14:38] dysfun: just case examine it and in the last case IO.inspect it
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[11:15:11] mdbm: ok I'm doing
[11:15:39] dysfun: ACTION really should write that "how to debug elixir" blogpost for the blog he still hasn't written
[11:15:43] mdbm: dysfun, ok I got it thanks to inspect I did a stupid mistake
[11:15:57] mdbm: dysfun, I think it's time to stop for today:D
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[11:16:30] dysfun: ime once you're past a certain point of tiredness, learning stuff is hard
[11:17:08] dysfun: do you understand how a genserver handles state now?
[11:17:20] mdbm: dysfun, yeah I understand thank you
[11:18:56] mdbm: just very tired, was in hospital all day yesterday due to bug sting bite near my eye, I can barely see my screen. I take 9 pills every day for anti allergy and I think I'm not 100% right now
[11:19:18] dysfun: i'm struggling just with hayfever
[11:19:25] mdbm: dysfun, always ALWAYS use a visor when you drive a motorbike
[11:19:45] dysfun: ACTION prefers a pushbike
[11:19:49] mdbm: I was careless just one day then if it hit my eye, I would have lost an eye, or damaged all life
[11:20:25] mdbm: I did a google search on it and I read a lot of testimonials of bikers who have eye damage all life because of bugs hitting their eye while driving
[11:20:27] dysfun: well get well soon
[11:20:39] dysfun: and try to learn from this mistake ;)
[11:20:56] mdbm: lol yeah that's a good lesson..
[11:21:34] dysfun: a near miss is still a miss :)
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[11:36:23] hypercore: is there a way to persist initialized javascript (usually in app.js) for live view templates?
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[11:37:37] hypercore: can't seem to find a clean way of doing this
[11:38:01] hypercore: only hacks, and they don't even resolve the issue fully
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[11:49:29] benwilson512: hypercore: maybe make a forum post? liveview is still pretty new so you may want a larger audience for the question
[11:50:06] hypercore: benwilson512: never used the forum before actually, i'll give that a shot, thanks
[11:50:51] dysfun: ACTION wishes he had more time to keep up with elixir and didn't have to rely on hearing the more interesting developments from coworkers
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[11:59:25] serafeim: i also have a question: it seems the current trend in deployment is using distillery or something. however using it seems like a PITA for me; also notice that I am develping in windows and will deploy in linux
[12:00:17] serafeim: so let's say that I just deploy in prod by copying the source code and running MIX_ENV=prod mix phx.server (i'll run the command through supervisord but that's the general idea).
[12:00:32] serafeim: will I have any problems with that setup ? will I have any security considerations ?
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[12:05:26] Nicd-: Serafeim: Mix loads code on demand I think, so the first time certain code paths are hit will be slower
[12:05:47] Nicd-: also Distillery provides helpful tooling such as remote_console. but you can do that manually as well
[12:06:28] Nicd-: I used to run my projects with mix for a time, there is no security risk that I know of
[12:07:02] Nicd-: one problem is that if you upgrade the version of Erlang/Elixir on the server, you may not be able to reboot your services anymore
[12:07:19] serafeim: Nicd- yes I understand that
[12:07:26] Nicd-: with Distillery I bundle the Erlang runtime system so it won't matter
[12:07:33] serafeim: Nicd- yeh i know
[12:07:42] serafeim: but for now i prefer to avoid messing with distillery
[12:10:44] serafeim: thanks Nicd- i'll try it without distillery for now
[12:10:49] serafeim: and see how it goes
[12:12:43] hypercore: ok made a post on the forum
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[12:32:24] josevalim: dysfun: we do. i think it is the same as pretty much everywhere
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[12:33:25] dysfun: josevalim: if it turns out to be exactly what haskell does, i'll be very happy
[12:33:47] dysfun: because then i can use their function
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[12:34:35] dysfun: (modulo handling of single and triple quoted strings)
[12:36:24] josevalim: waaaaat, i can't find the list :(
[12:36:32] dysfun: i couldn't either
[12:37:03] dysfun: i mean normally i'd be quite happy to just try it in iex, but i'm generating code
[12:38:31] nickjj: is it expected that i need to explicitly set MIX_ENV=test mix test if i'm running tests against an already running elixir container that was launched where i never explicitly set MIX_ENV (which i guess defaults to dev)?
[12:38:46] nickjj: seems if i run mix test without setting MIX_ENV=test then it tries to use my dev settings
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[13:44:22] josevalim: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/9HHR0zIR/
[13:44:59] josevalim: dysfun: back to the @name thing. in code like this:
[13:45:04] josevalim: GenServer.call(@name, :foo)
[13:45:04] dysfun: josevalim: awesome, thanks!
[13:45:05] josevalim: it is clearer than
[13:45:09] josevalim: GenServer.call(__MODULE__, :foo)
[13:45:14] josevalim: also less to type
[13:45:20] dysfun: only because __MODULE__ is deliberately ugly ;)
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[13:45:43] josevalim: if you have at least 3 calls, you get character count profit :P
[13:46:32] hypercore: hi jose, could i get a quick opinion on how you would personally solve the issue of js libraries not re-instantiating elements on a liveview re-render?
[13:46:38] dysfun: @n <-- three characters less per use!
[13:46:40] Nicd-: but you get less XP due to less typing
[13:46:49] hypercore: still not sure the best way to tackle this
[13:47:01] dysfun: now you benefit from only 2 uses
[13:47:05] Nicd-: hypercore: probably would be best to link the forum post for context if you are asking here
[13:47:23] hypercore: yup -> https://elixirforum.com/t/live-view-causing-issues-with-element-targeted-javascript/22196/6
[13:47:33] dysfun: it's true that "less typing" is a good argument to me
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[13:50:12] Nicd-: but then keyboards are sad
[13:50:18] Nicd-: keyboards like when they are typed on
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[16:18:14] josevalim: hypercore: try phx-ignore=true
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[19:30:41] benwilson512: aight folks, dumb question time: jaro distance pronunciation. `dgaro` or `yaro` ?
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[19:33:37] Uniaika: Since he's american, I would say "Djaro", like I would pronounce Jeans, benwilson512
[19:33:51] benwilson512: Uniaika: great, thanks!
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[19:54:52] beatpanic: hello, very basic question about the Time module. Given a ~T[21:00:00] or an iso8601 time "21:00:00" is it possible to remove the last `:00` with the Time module? thanks
[20:02:22] josevalim: beatpanic: to remove it for what? Printing/formatting?
[20:02:51] beatpanic: josevalim: yes for printing
[20:03:53] josevalim: You can access time.hour and time.minute and do a quick one by hand
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[20:06:00] beatpanic: josevalim: Yeah sure, I was wondering if there would be a lazier way :) thanks!
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[21:07:53] nox: http://beam-wisdoms.clau.se/en/latest/indepth-beam-file.html#beam-compact-term-encoding TIL OTP20 had breaking changes
[21:09:55] nox: Why was it even necessary to shift the other tags is beyond me
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