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[17:09:32] aScottishBoat: do we know anything about what ruby 3 is bringing? is it expected to break BC?
[17:10:13] aScottishBoat: I got into ruby right when 1.9 was phasing out, so I never really used it. I never read about how the transition went
[17:12:18] aScottishBoat: hmm I'm not against the idea if there's a switch that can be turned on, but by default it sounds a bit mad to me.
[17:13:33] aScottishBoat: require 'fp' # functional programming; fp = FP.new.immutable.immutable? # => true
[17:13:51] aScottishBoat: clemens3, I'm very interested in what ruby 3 is bringing. It's coming out in 2020 right? Ugh, far too long
[17:16:10] aScottishBoat: Just learned about this bad boy. https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2018/02/24/ruby-2-6-0-preview1-released/
[15:54:37] aScottishBoat: why not a stout? Stout with eggs, toast, sausages, that's a great breakfast, too
[18:06:47] aScottishBoat: I'm looking to write a program that utilizes curses _and_ make *potentially* heavy use of executing shell commands directly from the program. Would this be considered bad practice? My instinct tells me 'yes'
[18:19:47] aScottishBoat: I remember that I used to write some ruby programs backticking cmds along the way, manipulating I/O, etc. and I got heavily criticized for it. That was a while ago, but I never really shook off that I was doing smth bad
[18:20:29] aScottishBoat: I think it may have been the amount of of executing I was doing. Or maybe they didn't know what they were talking about. Irregardless it styaed with me. Thanks for your input eam
[19:57:39] aScottishBoat: you mean as *nerds* we can also do other things than just play with computers? News to me /s
[19:58:13] aScottishBoat: I've been wanting to get into a form of martial arts for a number of years now. I will at some point soonish
[19:58:50] aScottishBoat: jeet kune do fascinates me, though. But I'm aware that it's more of an applicable standard/set of techniques to any particular form than just a whole form in unto itself
[13:22:14] aScottishBoat: If you're talking like a 'stand-alone' package that can be passed around, you could turn your Ruby app into a container and just pass that container around. Inside that container you just need to add whichever Ruby libraries you use + whatever else, like a database. Then containerize it and ship it
[13:23:18] aScottishBoat: Well, you could write brief documentation on how to get a something a la Docker up and running quickly
[13:23:40] aScottishBoat: As for something more like a fully-standalone app that can just ship as one executable and 'work', that I am unaware of.
[13:25:55] aScottishBoat: honestly using containers may be your best bet. What sort of app are you writing?
[14:36:35] aScottishBoat: in fact, this weekend I started my foray into the perl world. It's quite quirky, but I want to add it to my toolkit for text processing.
[18:15:56] aScottishBoat: I love PHP personally simply because I can get an app out and in beta very quickly. I don't have to work with any frameworks, etc.
[18:16:32] aScottishBoat: And the API is very extensive. Anything I could want is already there in PHP. Is the language ugly? Jaysus it's atrocious. But no more atrocious than JS, imho.
[18:16:58] aScottishBoat: Therefore I just settle on PHP. I used to use Sinatra but it's been ages. I do plan to get back into it, at some point.
[18:17:49] aScottishBoat: dminuoso, I've never used it. I should check it out. Likewise, I've never used the HHVM.
[18:19:43] aScottishBoat: hmm says Hack isn't embedded into HTML. I quite like that of PHP. But maybe that's where I would use Hack in pure .php files
[18:20:21] aScottishBoat: Fair criticism. My favourite aspect of PHP is that I can *embed* directly into HTML.
[18:22:04] aScottishBoat: it obscures the abstraction between the various processes involved with routing and handling url parameters, and <--> to/from the DB
[18:55:57] aScottishBoat: hanetzer and I were discussing using Docker earlier today. I recommended it too (Glad to see others find containers so great!). If I recall, his main concern with using a container is that it adds an extra layer of technology overhead to his users of whom he'd prefer to only run executables.
[18:56:17] aScottishBoat: Actually, I never really asked, hanetzer: why are you insisting on Rails and Ruby? What's making this project so Ruby-oriented?
[18:57:06] aScottishBoat: building on the first thing I said, I think he fears some of his users are going to be quite technically unsavvy. Therefore, executables
[18:58:40] aScottishBoat: do I hear... a potential FOSS project in the works requiring collaboration? Hmmm.
[19:01:02] aScottishBoat: hanetzer, man I never knew about TR before. I would have loved to use it . Maybe a fork can be made and maintained?
[19:01:25] aScottishBoat: hanetzer, if you find out that you're just a traveling ruby fanatic by the end of this, let me know haha
[19:29:41] aScottishBoat: I guess at that point if you really want to be fancy you could make a site specific browser, but that may be taking this project too far lmao
[18:23:07] aScottishBoat: miah, my friend and I were talking about that a few weeks. Why do you think so?
[17:20:54] aScottishBoat: doubtful no one can type upside down ! that fast without a Spanish keyboard layout
[17:33:21] aScottishBoat: in the 1800s he didn't approve of a war the US was in and he didn't pay his taxes knowing they were going to the military
[21:40:10] aScottishBoat: _sfiguser, I asked that same question earlier a la "Am I evil if I use perl?"
[21:40:46] aScottishBoat: _sfiguser, awesome. Want to meet me in #ruby-offtopic and explain to me why? I'd really like to get my hands dirty with it
[21:44:49] aScottishBoat: _sfiguser, man I'd love that. You could show me some of the perl ropes, yeah?
[21:45:14] aScottishBoat: aw man I was under the impression that the perl community was like Ruby's :/
[21:48:52] aScottishBoat: _sfiguser, I'd love that. Yeah, I was a system developer before now, but I'm currently in DevOps lol
[21:50:06] aScottishBoat: _sfiguser, yes, the fact that the linux specification makes an explicit statement on perl makes me want to use it more. I love linux up and down, so C plus Perl would be ideal for me.
[21:53:12] aScottishBoat: _sfiguser, well we can spearhead some smallscale devops project if you'd like
[21:55:13] aScottishBoat: apeiros, too late although I'm sure we'll stuff banter in here irregardless
[22:00:52] aScottishBoat: _sfiguser, just dive straight into it, or check out Antergos. It's unlike Manjaro that has a set 'update' period (not like Arch), but it's basically a glorified frontend for installing Arch. Also, it adds *one* database to the package manager with Antergos binaries
[22:03:06] aScottishBoat: I do hear glorious things about *BSD, but... I like my package managers (apt is okay though)