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[13:08:05] aef: can anyone help me with the following question: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34976139/is-there-a-way-to-force-the-use-of-the-debian-system-ruby-bundler-in-rvm
[13:13:03] aef: Ox0dea: first of all, I like the fact that some additional people that I have quite a bit of trust in have a chance to have a look at the code that ends up being used in my applications. secondly, I find the security infrastructure of Rubygems questionable, and almost nothing changed since the big hack some years ago, afaik. third point would be, that I don't like the fact that things that are already present on my system are downloaded and stored again.
[13:14:09] aef: how so?
[13:14:35] aef: how is that contradicting my point?
[13:14:47] aef: not every gem I use is packaged in Debian either
[13:16:59] aef: both the installation of RVM and the code installed through RVM are verified through OpenPGP signatures made by Michal Papis. I think that is a far better system than the purely transport TLS authenticated Rubygems system and so far I have no reason to believe that Michal is trying to hurt me.
[13:18:16] aef: though, when the packaged Ruby on the Debian repositories is enough for what I want to do, I tend to prefer that instead of installing additional stuff through RVM
[13:20:05] aef: Ox0dea: because Rubygems doens't improve and it is a security risk that needs all the mitigation one can come up with.
[13:23:13] aef: apeiros: already posted it there, thanks
[13:24:05] aef: apeiros: i will update my findings on my stackoverflow question.
[13:26:13] aef: shevy: it seems that a lot of people are not very aware of the risks of using all kinds of unchecked code from sources where sometimes it is not even verifyable that the expected source is even the acutal source. In the Debian community there seems to be a lot more awareness about this than in the rest of the world that i have seen.
[13:28:49] aef: Ox0dea: I intend to.
[13:30:38] aef: Ox0dea: i used it for all my gem releases
[13:31:05] aef: Ox0dea: then i realized that it is broken and I don't see a way to repair it to make it actually work when using X.509
[13:31:55] aef: Ox0dea: because X.509, the certificate system behind TLS is conceptually very centralistic
[13:32:28] aef: Ox0dea: and the Ruby community, or FLOSS software communities in general is not
[13:32:37] aef: s/is/are
[13:33:23] aef: Ox0dea: also, the devs of net-ssh is using it
[13:33:57] aef: Ox0dea: right, that's why in OpenPGP, a CA is not a core concept
[13:35:03] aef: Ox0dea: OpenPGP would be a good fit for RubyGems. but drbrain doesn't feel the same way.
[13:36:31] aef: Ox0dea: Grant Olson even built OpenPGP support for Rubygems. but it didn't catch fire. The Ruby community doesn't seem to be interested so much in security, or they are just not informed about the risky state Rubygems is in.
[13:37:59] aef: Ox0dea: when I started with Ruby, i think about 8 years ago, I was confused about Debian's manipulations of Rubygems as well
[13:38:22] aef: Ox0dea: but later I realized that there is a big mentality difference between Rubygems and APT
[13:39:23] aef: Ox0dea: well, yes, they distribute Rubygems, as I said
[13:39:47] aef: Ox0dea: sorry, wrong ping
[13:40:54] aef: shevy: i think they do

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[16:01:44] aef: ninjs: it works for all objects that implement the Comparable mixin
[16:02:55] aef: ninjs: nil does not include the Comparable mixin
[16:04:05] aef: ninjs: well, seems I am mistaken here. so it seems actually to depend on the fact that all included objects are comparable to each other
[16:05:43] aef: ninjs: so if 'somestring' <=> nil outputs nil, and not -1, 0 or 1, those two cannot be in the array when using #max and their likes
[16:06:28] aef: ninjs: the "ufo" operator is for ordering comparison

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[21:39:00] aef: multi_io: i think rvm has done a lot in regards to download verification lately. maybe give it a try. can't say though if it uses https everywhere.