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2018-11-05

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2018-11-02

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[21:21:35] bootstrappm: hey all, I wanted to get a little survey of some members of the community, please feel free to point me in the right direction if I'm in the wrong place. We've been having a hard time filling this position (https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/cap/view/911188581/?pathWildcard=911188581&trk=mcm), and I was wondering where do you think we should advertise to get in front of people that have been using Ruby for several
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[21:25:00] bootstrappm: using Ruby for several years?
[21:25:00] bootstrappm: (crossposted to #rubyonrails): hey all, I wanted to get a little survey of some members of the community, please feel free to point me in the right direction if I'm in the wrong place. We've been having a hard time filling this position (https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/cap/view/911188581/?pathWildcard=911188581&trk=mcm), and I was wondering where do you think we should advertise to get in front of people that have been
[21:55:15] bootstrappm: havenwood: In person, a bit old school
[21:55:20] bootstrappm: and I haven't! I'll look them up now

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2016-03-09

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[17:00:46] bootstrappm: morning all! been a while since I've been in #ruby
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[17:08:18] bootstrappm: I see hangman is still alive and well
[18:22:22] bootstrappm: that's pretty cool slash_nick
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2015-09-29

[00:29:32] bootstrappm: chipotle: they're pretty different skillsets tbh
[00:29:39] bootstrappm: CSS leans more towards front-end
[00:29:42] bootstrappm: Ruby is pure back-end
[00:29:53] bootstrappm: and as such I would encourage learning them simultaneously yes :)
[00:30:20] bootstrappm: chipotle programming is one of those things that you have to do to really learn
[00:30:36] bootstrappm: I would recommend getting the basics and then some down before Rails yes
[00:30:57] bootstrappm: Rails 2.3.8 days it was still manageable to kind of figure it out on the go but there's just too many parts in rails 4
[00:31:27] bootstrappm: chipotle yeah, what you learned in Drupal won't help you too much. Aside from the concept of layouts
[00:36:10] bootstrappm: chipotle best way to learn is building something, seriously
[00:36:16] bootstrappm: try to make something
[00:36:18] bootstrappm: realize what you don't know
[00:36:21] bootstrappm: then study / learn that
[00:36:28] bootstrappm: to-do lists are popular options
[00:38:57] bootstrappm: if you want to learn ruby before rails you'll be writing scripts. Possible options for that: open a CSV and combine two columns and save it to a different file, grab the first article from slashdot and save it to a local text file
[00:39:19] bootstrappm: (you can also choose another web framework like Sinatra, Cuba, etc. instead of writing bare scripts)
[00:40:38] bootstrappm: to learn HTML / CSS well go find some free PSDs (Photoshop designs) online and turn them into web pages. No ruby, no rails, no back-end at all. Just learn how CSS precedence and positioning works
[00:42:10] bootstrappm: havenwood looks cool :)
[00:42:24] bootstrappm: chipotle you can but as you've seen w/ Ruby, reading something isn't the same as learning it
[00:42:37] bootstrappm: if you're looking for time efficiency, build first, study later
[00:43:08] bootstrappm: chipotle: sounds like you've already done enough to be able to stumble your way through building, that should be enough to get you to a point where you know exactly what to study
[00:43:40] bootstrappm: otherwise you'll "learn" metaprogramming or CSS keyframe animations years before you ever actually use them
[00:43:43] bootstrappm: that's not efficient
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2015-09-28

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2015-09-15

[02:00:56] bootstrappm: !mute RubyRed
[02:01:18] bootstrappm: exactly this I think, haven't ppl be annoyed and talk
[02:04:14] bootstrappm: *plot twist* RubyRed was Aeyrix all along
[02:04:17] bootstrappm: dun dun duuuun
[02:15:20] bootstrappm: yeah a bot that can identify attacks and auto mute / kick would be cool
[02:15:24] bootstrappm: they're not really all that creative ...
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2015-09-14

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[15:40:17] bootstrappm: poll: what do you write APIs in?
[15:44:03] bootstrappm: [k-_ no worries, I'll ask again later
[15:44:11] bootstrappm: catphish: raw? sinatra? cuba?
[17:06:04] bootstrappm: greenbigfrog: could you give some more details about your question
[17:07:31] bootstrappm: what do you mean the status of some code?
[17:15:52] bootstrappm: [k-_ cool game!
[17:17:43] bootstrappm: i win! turkey
[17:20:04] bootstrappm: indeed, i didn't actually think i was that good at words
[17:21:54] bootstrappm: apparently attaboy is not in the dictionary hahah
[17:23:29] bootstrappm: hahah rapid fire
[17:32:21] bootstrappm: between expat and experience ... ?
[17:32:32] bootstrappm: ahh, damnit, that wasn't that hard
[17:34:59] bootstrappm: thats awesome
[17:40:23] bootstrappm: hahah my thoughts exactly
[17:41:08] bootstrappm: what does the score actually measure?
[17:57:37] bootstrappm: greenbigfrog is that test on a webapp or somewhere remote? or is it something local that doesn't touch web?
[17:58:56] bootstrappm: eh, to be able to help we really need a more specific use case
[17:59:14] bootstrappm: testing a local script is very different from testing something remote greenbigfrog
[17:59:37] bootstrappm: yeah, I'd say figure out what you're building first
[18:00:48] bootstrappm: greenbigfrog learning to ask is a process, Ox0dea's just teasing
[18:04:08] bootstrappm: somebody in the office keeps setting the temperature for this room to 72 *shivers*
[18:07:28] bootstrappm: ACTION laughs
[18:07:41] bootstrappm: #ruby-offtopic is my favorite channel
[18:08:13] bootstrappm: btw for those that have been following my quitting job, starting freelance adventure, I recommend Gigster
[18:08:32] bootstrappm: just got accepted last week and got a two-day gig for $1000 (its a code review)
[18:10:08] bootstrappm: took them about a month to look over my application + interview me so if you're thinking of doing some freelance in the future, I'd recommend applying now
[18:17:04] bootstrappm: slash_nick: yes looks very steady. They manage most deal flow through Slack so you see the constant stream of new projects. They manage it a little bit differently then most freelancer sites; in most sites clients hire you as a freelancer directly, on Gigster they assemble mini teams w/ a Product Manager, a Designer, and some developers. They have pretty rigid top down guidelines as to how the PMs are supposed to structure deliverables / mileston
[18:17:07] bootstrappm: es and the devs get a payout on each milestone. So you're shielded from most of the grueling client stuff and get to just focus on code
[18:18:02] bootstrappm: right now most of the projects I see come down the pipeline are apps, with a lean towards Android. But there's not too many web people so the web projects are enough right now
[18:22:28] bootstrappm: greenbigfrog yes but I don't know much how Twitch works so I'll plead the 5th ;)
[18:29:44] bootstrappm: dfockler I remember you asked me to let you know how it goes with the freelance stuff, you just missed my first report: http://cl.ly/image/0X1Z1z422C3Z?_ga=1.226779742.234968758.1442255298
[18:32:22] bootstrappm: yeah, for sure dfockler. Taking the risk is one of the hardest parts
[18:41:18] bootstrappm: not yet, no, still need to get all that in order
[18:41:54] bootstrappm: I'm living in Guatemala which supposedly has some of the best coffee ... but I don't drink coffee :/
[18:41:56] bootstrappm: feel like I'm missing out hahah
[19:56:17] bootstrappm: what do you use on linux? (if you use linux)
[19:59:24] bootstrappm: anybody tried terminator?
[20:10:06] bootstrappm: Illusioneer: is it just certain environment variables or is the whole ENV hash empty?
[20:11:17] bootstrappm: several of "your" envs? how are you setting them?
[20:12:39] bootstrappm: eam good call
[20:13:59] bootstrappm: Illusioneer you could also wrap the call to ruby with a shell script where you set those variables and sudo run the shell script
[20:16:56] bootstrappm: what do you use as an alternative to sudo eam?
[20:21:35] bootstrappm: how does using sshd as your escalation mechanism work eam? I just googled but didn't find anything usefl
[20:21:39] bootstrappm: ssh into localhost under another user?
[20:22:13] bootstrappm: what's the benefit of that? commands logged?
[20:27:12] bootstrappm: can you still use standard assertions with minitest spec BraddPitt? If so, assert_raises
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[20:43:42] bootstrappm: I'm using logger.debug in a controller action no rails 4.2.4. When I hit that action with a controller test nothing logs to log/development.log, any idea why?
[20:48:57] bootstrappm: w = Wiki.find(some_id); collaborator_users = w.collaborators.collect {|collaborator| collaborator.users}.compact; users_not_in_through = User.all - collaborator_users
[20:48:59] bootstrappm: probably sometihng like that?
[20:49:53] bootstrappm: make sure your Collaborator class has a has_many :users relation also
[20:54:12] bootstrappm: arup_r: figured it out, test environment not dev, looking at the wrong log file
[22:10:08] bootstrappm: is it just me or is there more arguing in #ruby than there used to be?
[22:13:43] bootstrappm: I know not much about Go, does it compile to bytecode?
[22:14:54] bootstrappm: so why can't you write a kernel in it?
[22:20:28] bootstrappm: eam: good article. What's considered a systems programming language?
[22:21:05] bootstrappm: its winter in guatemala :P
[22:21:12] bootstrappm: i.e. rainy season
[22:27:37] bootstrappm: technically, could you if you re-wrote a substantial portion of the standard library?
[22:27:55] bootstrappm: to remove the unix kernel intermediary
[22:29:10] bootstrappm: btw eam that blog you linked is super cool
[22:30:43] bootstrappm: pulled this from it: https://gist.github.com/jboner/2841832
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2015-09-11

[00:27:53] bootstrappm: so I can do as many controller tests as I like
[00:27:57] bootstrappm: and don't have to signin in the setup of each
[00:28:42] bootstrappm: but I should be logging in in tests that are not trying to test login?
[00:29:05] bootstrappm: the point is to test the logic of the actions
[00:29:45] bootstrappm: that sounds more like an integration test to me, not really a functional test of the logic of controller action
[00:29:50] bootstrappm: I'll write that one later
[00:36:09] bootstrappm: sevenseacat: you can't just take your opinion and call it a fact :P. I'm basing my opinion on the fact that the Rails documentation has separate sections for function controller tests and integration tests (http://guides.rubyonrails.org/testing.html#integration-testing) which describe their purpose very differently. Also on the fact that the wiki for integration testing describes it as tests that are " constructed to test whether all the components within
[00:36:11] bootstrappm: assemblages interact correctly" ... that's not what I'm trying to test at all. The innards of Rails after the request leaves the controller action have been tested, as are the availability of request params in the action. I'm literally just testing the logic on one function where all the other stuff has been tested. Doesn't sound like an integration test to me
[00:36:23] bootstrappm: Even aside from that a model test where you stub out the db isn't an integration test either
[00:36:28] bootstrappm: you're just unit testing a class at that point
[00:36:48] bootstrappm: a method of a class*
[00:36:56] bootstrappm: so saying all rails tests are integration tests is well .... wrong
[00:38:27] bootstrappm: cool, I buy that a controller test can be considered an integration test
[00:38:31] bootstrappm: but a model test w/ the db stubbed out?
[00:38:50] bootstrappm: pretty sure you said "all rails tests are integrations tests." ....?
[00:38:54] bootstrappm: like, verbatim
[00:40:12] bootstrappm: okay, cool. I'll just agree to disagree, thanks
[00:40:15] bootstrappm: anyways zenspider, just figuring out how to stub out some Devise stuff
[00:40:43] bootstrappm: there are some guides but they use rspec or do it a slower way than I'd like
[00:40:50] bootstrappm: gonna just mess around until I figure it out
[00:51:13] bootstrappm: never said unit testing but how do you say that when you're trying to do the exact same thing pretending everything is an integration test? That sounds like saying "oh well actually the test that you wrote to test that arithmetic function is an integration test because it touches a lot of other things, like Math.add". The whole point of getting tested packaged software is that you're not testing that when you write stuff on top of it
[00:51:19] bootstrappm: but it doesn't matter really, doesn't solve the problem
[00:52:55] bootstrappm: zenspider: I want to stub it because I don't want to login in my test, basically. I'll test being logged in somewhere else but I just want to test the logic of the action in this test
[00:54:15] bootstrappm: so I'd rather just have the auth stuff return true (a stub) so it looks like I'm logged in without having to worry about having a user in the db, the time it takes for it ACTUALLY check, etc. Just trying to get quick digestible tests
[00:54:58] bootstrappm: hah no, its a controller action. Simulating a request to soft delete something
[00:55:35] bootstrappm: no, that was more of a hypothetical unit test in rails
[00:55:43] bootstrappm: I could stub it out though
[00:55:51] bootstrappm: its on my todo list as those tests take 1.5 each
[00:56:12] bootstrappm: I don't actually :/ sorry zenspider
[00:57:04] bootstrappm: I tried! I just said agree to disagree and then was told disagreeing doesn't change the facts >:|
[00:57:06] bootstrappm: but okay, got it
[00:57:37] bootstrappm: hm, let me try
[02:26:33] bootstrappm: figured it out! https://gist.github.com/frankpinto/5c7d56128d54741dfce4
[02:26:42] bootstrappm: thanks for the suggestion to look up the test helpers
[02:26:48] bootstrappm: part of it was actually in the wiki, was just searching wrong
[02:27:00] bootstrappm: (dance) thanks y'all
[02:38:18] bootstrappm: timing comparison for that is 8.07s for test suite w/ sign_in, 4.75s w/ stubbing
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[04:01:29] bootstrappm: Yzguy I got disconnected there for a bit, did you get an answer to that?
[04:04:24] bootstrappm: cool, looks like they left anyway
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[16:35:16] bootstrappm: I wouldn't worry too much about that guideline hoylemd. For example, if you put your whole data structure on one line you'd have a 4-line method ??? does that mean its a better method? No, I'd say its worse because its less readable
[16:35:28] bootstrappm: just keep it short and to the point
[16:35:56] bootstrappm: if you're gonna share that data structure across methods put it somewhere else, sure, but don't do it for the sake of saving a few lines
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[23:09:26] bootstrappm: just had my last sprint review with my company :D
[23:38:18] bootstrappm: and yes, but what I don't know
[23:38:21] bootstrappm: just not this anymore
[23:38:38] bootstrappm: got a freelance gig already lined up, gonna work on that for enough-to-live cash
[23:38:49] bootstrappm: and try to reset for a bit, go see some family