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[17:04:36] skmp: it has a cluster of extremly fail prone systems
[17:04:48] skmp: RubyPanther: entropy
[17:04:52] skmp: you can't generate it
[17:05:39] skmp: the state of the art is computers that don't really "think" or work like us
[17:05:47] skmp: even though they might trick us some times
[17:05:52] skmp: that's why the systems fail so bad
[17:06:01] skmp: and in ways a undeveloped human brain (baby) doesn't
[17:06:13] skmp: see, thats the point
[17:06:17] skmp: the main function of the brain is to fail
[17:06:31] skmp: yet it somehow manages to create a very convincing delusion of coherence :p
[17:07:06] skmp: well, I guess that totally depends on what "decent literature" classifies as
[17:07:23] skmp: the point isn't to apply stored knowledge
[17:07:30] skmp: imo the point is to generate new knowledge
[17:07:49] skmp: just like you can't iterate a code base without changing a bit the rules/design
[17:08:15] skmp: Except RubyPanther, that the exact "create content" was examined before that
[17:08:27] skmp: while, the first human that created had not
[17:09:08] skmp: I haven't seen, heard, or read about a software simulation that generates something of sufficientl complexity that it wasn't designed to
[17:09:17] skmp: well, except in the case of very interesting hardware bugs
[17:09:29] skmp: (which, imo, classify as a source of chaotic randomness)
[17:09:58] skmp: i mostly ponder about that stuff in my free time
[17:10:13] skmp: (aka, feel free to send amazing papers my way)
[17:10:43] skmp: make me that device that the day has more than 300 hours
[17:10:46] skmp: and i'll do that RubyPanther :p
[17:12:57] skmp: RubyPanther: so, which is a great starting point? which journals?
[17:13:26] skmp: I happen to be in a country that has no education, so haven't had the time dig that much into institutional stuff
[17:16:05] skmp: heh, maybe. I don't put that much trust though on unis, mostly from extremely bad past expirience
[17:16:33] skmp: katlogic: yeah i know, ofc :p
[17:17:16] skmp: RubyPanther: most of the great ideas have come from random pondering, and that goes into many non coding related fields (painting, writing music, etc)
[17:17:39] skmp: especially in music, most of it is just random mistakes that integrate into coherent ideas
[17:17:49] skmp: but that could be me sucking at music ;p
[17:19:07] skmp: life it too short to not randomly ponder, and follow someone else's random pondering
[17:19:30] skmp: i can't say I have examples of this
[17:19:34] skmp: but that also makes sense
[17:19:50] skmp: certainly though, life itself wasn't created by a big mind
[17:20:00] skmp: (well, that depends on your views on life, i guess)
[17:20:33] skmp: the "created" part
[17:20:37] skmp: for me means random batch o ideas
[17:20:49] skmp: how they were integrated, refined, and organised is the master work
[17:21:30] skmp: yes katlogic, but why did you decide to put your cat in the ceiling and then take a picture of a soldering iron and add captions to it?
[17:21:54] skmp: that is a perfectly valid reason
[17:22:13] skmp: yeah, but the precise composition is new
[17:22:17] skmp: (or at least, new to you)
[17:23:14] skmp: thats not the same though
[17:23:28] skmp: uness you mean there's some mystical connection betwen brains that transfer knowledge
[17:23:45] skmp: yes, i don't disagree with that
[17:24:03] skmp: when does new content come from then?
[17:25:04] skmp: katlogic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuokANvtjCM -- getting there from a symphony is quite a long way. An extreme amount of content reuse, but i sure think there have to be some *new* ideas inbetween
[17:25:16] skmp: same thing RubyPanther
[17:25:19] skmp: mutations are random or not?
[17:25:44] skmp: why not?
[17:26:06] skmp: so you think there's a self-assembling global "entire existance" plan and we just flow along its lines?
[17:26:35] skmp: i've had bugs turn into great features
[17:27:01] skmp: bugs are like mutations ;p
[17:27:12] skmp: i've also had random bit flips make things work
[17:27:15] skmp: while working with electronics
[17:27:24] skmp: and EMI + thermal noise *is* mostly random
[17:28:18] skmp: well, thats mostly a phisosophical point though
[17:28:48] skmp: you're arguing that there's no new entropy, i'm arguing that the world is based on cheap entropy
[17:29:14] skmp: both things make sense
[17:29:22] skmp: I used to support that opinion tbh
[17:29:32] skmp: i just drifted away from it lately (the past 4-5 years)
[17:29:59] skmp: plagiarism is almost 100% of the body
[17:30:25] skmp: i'm not saying every iteration is new
[17:30:41] skmp: i don't think one bit every lots and lots of petabytes is real new entropy
[17:31:09] skmp: ACTION loves RubyPanther now
[17:32:23] skmp: RubyPanther: I believe creation comes from disorder, when it is processed by py information processing machines/systems and combined with the huge existing data set
[17:33:29] skmp: katlogic: yeh that makes sense (from my PoV)
[17:34:45] skmp: i'm combining js knowledge with JIT/hw design nowdays, the fact that I know js is cus I broke up, and was too drunk to refuse a very bad job some night many months ago
[17:34:57] skmp: i consider that fact kind of random
[17:35:10] skmp: but the rest of the knowledge (js, jit, h/w) is ofc pre-existing
[17:35:55] skmp: though, to be fair, it does make much more sense than BASH programming
[17:36:01] skmp: certainly an improvement
[17:36:45] skmp: in practice, no
[17:36:58] skmp: i've never had an operator bug bite me, even after a lot of code
[17:37:12] skmp: if you want to have a working mental model of js? forget it, that won't happen
[17:37:55] skmp: js is like html/css layout. You think you know how display: whatever; will do with mode: catnip; til the animal: catfish; just doesn't work quite right
[17:38:31] skmp: and then you read the doc and realise that every 4th catnip element that has a boder color is actually hidden by default in the spec
[17:40:07] skmp: well, it has its elegance at some moments -- i'm really grateful of the new abstractions and ideas i've learnt
[17:40:15] skmp: (*some* moments)
[17:43:37] skmp: RubyPanther: btw, if you believe that there's some hidden variable behind complexity, and not true randomness, there's the random argument that there is an infinitive amount of hidden variables, thus, it is random
[17:43:51] skmp: isn't it an exec? :p
[17:43:59] skmp: well, fork/exec
[17:45:06] skmp: true, as in, no finite amount of information will ever be sufficient to model it
[17:45:56] skmp: i'm not arguing that infinitive knowledge would result in perfect knowledge of the global state
[17:46:12] skmp: i'm just saying that *finite* knowledge, no matter how big, won't
[17:46:49] skmp: katlogic: i love that idea
[17:46:56] skmp: but then, god himself must be simulated ;p
[17:46:58] skmp: or it makes no sense
[17:47:55] skmp: ACTION puts that into the list
[17:48:07] skmp: I love Feynman, but mostly seen videos and stuff
[17:48:25] skmp: but, tbh, that's just my prediction/model for the world
[17:49:32] skmp: (and i'm always looking around for new data that challenges my assumptions)
[17:51:12] skmp: that requires global (universe wise) conceous
[17:51:21] skmp: i don't think that's efficient or archivalbe
[17:51:46] skmp: so, each side needs to somehow have knowledge
[17:51:58] skmp: i don't think matter is so heavily networked ;p
[17:52:37] skmp: that seems inefficient
[17:52:50] skmp: i'd think the world would be self assembled into something more efficient
[17:53:04] skmp: (with less information going on)
[17:53:29] skmp: but it is an interesting idea
[17:53:49] skmp: yeah ofc
[17:54:15] skmp: but then, that goes for every theory
[17:54:48] skmp: so its mostly a philosophical decision rather than a data-driven one
[17:55:20] skmp: (as Feynman said, 'I have various degrees of certainly about different things, but i'm not absolutely sure about anything')