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[20:15:49] tpanarch1st: good evening, i'm just getting started with Rails, bit shattered but I thought i'd start having a go at building the blog. https://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html - this says "To use this generator, open a terminal, navigate to a directory where you have rights to create files, " i'm not sure how to do this or quite how that bit works :)
[21:31:02] tpanarch1st: hi, when you install rails, how do you know which directory to navigate to to create files please
[21:34:26] tpanarch1st: linux mint :)
[21:35:10] tpanarch1st: radar, please would you have a look at my bash terminal output from the install to see if there are any issues?
[21:35:22] tpanarch1st: i made a copy of it last week just in case
[21:35:32] tpanarch1st: oh i can shove it in pastebin if that's OK?
[21:36:43] tpanarch1st: there you go Radar https://gist.github.com/greenlanegreb/cd80c4c4d504700e6bc4ab5a676bf35f - thanks :)
[21:38:10] tpanarch1st: oh i just followed the instructions :)
[21:38:23] tpanarch1st: link at the top of the pastebin :)
[21:38:38] tpanarch1st: sorry shattered!
[21:39:13] tpanarch1st: i figured i'd make notes of the output as i'm totally new to coding really - i've watched tons of tutorials over the years but never really made anything :)
[21:40:27] tpanarch1st: i've been looking forward to having a play for a while but just been busy with my voluntary work - January rush! -> I can't remember how I came across that link - i just ended up using it but then discovered ruby website has a lot of it's own!
[21:40:38] tpanarch1st: i'm in the UK
[21:40:59] tpanarch1st: Radar: are you suggested taking a step back or updating or?
[21:41:35] tpanarch1st: oh! No, I just found the instructions friendly enough - I didn't have a clue what I was doing really, I think I ran the instructions past the #ruby channel just to make sure there was nothing malicious!
[21:41:47] tpanarch1st: oh, will that not have the effect of installing two ersions Radar
[21:42:35] tpanarch1st: does it take up much space?
[21:43:03] tpanarch1st: will it make a mess to uninstall the old one?
[21:43:50] tpanarch1st: ok :) it's a steep learning curve, so what would the command be to remove the old one to put the one on that you are recommending please?
[21:44:12] tpanarch1st: thanks - will do that now
[21:44:59] tpanarch1st: so I have a new friend called Gem(ma) then :-p
[21:45:20] tpanarch1st: oh i wouldn't even satisfy a "Junior Developer" hehe
[21:45:55] tpanarch1st: so it didn't prompt me for anything uninstalling but it said it had uninstalled it all the same
[21:46:14] tpanarch1st: it's doing it's other bits currently Successfully installed rails-5.2.2
[21:46:41] tpanarch1st: yeah that's done :)
[21:49:29] tpanarch1st: so i guess that's cool now Radar
[21:51:31] tpanarch1st: sweet - thanks ever so much :)
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2019-01-22

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[20:10:37] tpanarch1st: would you say these instructons are alright for setting up an area on my mint install to play with rails? Thanks :) https://github.com/coder-academy-students/rails-setup-for-linux
[20:12:37] tpanarch1st: ah that's awesome - i presume it won't change my mint install in any other way and that i'll be able to use Gems and suchlike properly :)
[20:13:09] tpanarch1st: from what i've read, it sets up an isolated way and a "controller" (of sorts) to deal with ruby commands and keep them away from the rest of the mint stuff in shell :)
[20:16:10] tpanarch1st: yeah, there's certainly a bit of cross-over there
[20:16:15] tpanarch1st: ah Mint won't go bang will it :-D
[20:16:56] tpanarch1st: what surprised me is that ruby relies on node.js in linux
[20:17:39] tpanarch1st: sorry, to rephrase, for some packages that Ruby **uses**
[20:17:55] tpanarch1st: i'll get it right eventually :-D
[20:18:24] tpanarch1st: i don't get the postgres sql relationship with rails
[20:19:15] tpanarch1st: thanks miah !
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[20:19:35] tpanarch1st: good evening all!
[20:20:17] tpanarch1st: i'm a bit lost on how postgres sql comes into play with rails, whenever i've worked with a CMS, for example, it's use mysql and required that to be installed. The tutorials i've seen don't seem to require this
[21:01:38] tpanarch1st: thanks for this MrPunkin so i think, by installing ruby and also rails, postgres comes down with it?
[21:04:14] tpanarch1st: beanie@laptop ~ $ \curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash -s stable --ruby Installing required packages:...sqlite3
[21:04:32] tpanarch1st: not sure what sqllite3 is :)
[21:05:31] tpanarch1st: so the same gem will deal with mysql or postgre etc
[21:06:16] tpanarch1st: ah awesome, i'm totally new as you probably guessed!
[21:06:34] tpanarch1st: what should be my thought process between postgres and mysql please
[21:07:22] tpanarch1st: thanks for this MrPunkin any objection to me having just done all this? https://github.com/coder-academy-students/rails-setup-for-linux
[21:09:01] tpanarch1st: ah sweet - so no issues there!
[21:09:32] tpanarch1st: what is the most popular - is it still mysql
[21:16:25] tpanarch1st: ah fairs, thanks MrPunkin - in terms of using atom as an IDE - is this OK?
[21:16:36] tpanarch1st: and is there much to using it with rails dev
[21:17:40] tpanarch1st: i guess testing out the app just involves visiting a web address of some description locally - i think there's a way of telling rails to fire up a test server
[21:19:03] tpanarch1st: ah sweet, is it possible/worth bothering to incorporate terminal for rails within atom
[21:19:50] tpanarch1st: sweet, thanks ever so much for all of your advice, it's very much appreciated
[21:20:28] tpanarch1st: i wanted to create a vinyl database, i've watched the blog tutorials a few times, is there a good tutorial for that kind of application geared towards a newb like me?
[21:24:48] tpanarch1st: thanks MrPunkin i shall plug away at that - i guess my project will be explained to me through working on that
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2019-01-15

[04:03:59] tpanarch1st: ah yeah i've seen a tutorial on this
[04:04:01] tpanarch1st: irb(main):001:0>
[04:04:17] tpanarch1st: it doesn't save anything
[04:04:24] tpanarch1st: im better with getting some sort of draft website up
[04:04:31] tpanarch1st: and seeing it in the browser
[04:04:37] tpanarch1st: plus it saves my work!
[04:04:57] tpanarch1st: oh yeah - i get that you can do the maths equations, i've watched a tutorial on that
[04:05:38] tpanarch1st: well havenwood the syntax is a tricky matter but the basic logic is the same as any other programming language - use an array
[04:05:57] tpanarch1st: never heard of an enumerable (i don't think)
[04:06:40] tpanarch1st: oh yeah, i can refer back to Giraffe Academy for that -that's my plan to hard code his stuff in my brain :)
[04:07:15] tpanarch1st: never heard of mashes - this is my life - i know dribs and drabs of allsorts :-D
[04:07:20] tpanarch1st: jack of trades, master of none!
[04:08:00] tpanarch1st: no is the short answer here!
[04:08:27] tpanarch1st: yep so your last question is where my lack of knowledge fails me!
[04:08:59] tpanarch1st: it's 4:07am here essentially, so i just thought "do some basic reading for my project"
[04:09:12] tpanarch1st: maybe baweaver as long as it don't stuff the server :)
[04:09:45] tpanarch1st: no idea what an anonymous function is - i know what a function is so does it somehow hide your identity or add to security
[04:10:18] tpanarch1st: ok you're going beyond me, misleading you in any way with what I know (and what I don't) would not help!
[04:10:43] tpanarch1st: can you give me a really layments english term please :)
[04:10:51] tpanarch1st: english explanation even*
[04:11:10] tpanarch1st: thanks havenwood :)
[04:12:15] tpanarch1st: right so to be totally honest with you havenwood, the def bit i know is the format for functions but the 200 and content type etc, never seen that before
[04:13:07] tpanarch1st: i'm not lazy but i've been totally locked out of programming because I am entirely crap at reading technical documents
[04:13:51] tpanarch1st: havenwood: to take a step back, i seem to remember 200 being ok (absolutely no idea where i've heard that before, is that http??) what is rack please?
[04:14:16] tpanarch1st: oh Lord, baby steps if you have the patience please
[04:14:51] tpanarch1st: i'm trying to grasp on to the little things that you are saying currently and trying to cling on for dear life
[04:15:45] tpanarch1st: oh it's ok if we are talking http this is fine right, it's pretty straight forward that, it's the "meat" of the wqeb
[04:16:08] tpanarch1st: how does http fit in with all of this, i'm totally surprised that http codes have come into the conversation so you can see how lost I am
[04:16:45] tpanarch1st: what are you trying to tell me please al2o3-cr :)
[04:17:04] tpanarch1st: i presume rubydoc is a bot
[04:17:27] tpanarch1st: ok so how does that come into a programming language, i've given up with php (i think)
[04:17:48] tpanarch1st: but in php conversations, noones ever mentioned a http code
[04:17:55] tpanarch1st: oh yeah i know 500 is a php f**kup
[04:18:09] tpanarch1st: or any programme language's f**kup
[04:18:26] tpanarch1st: 403 is not an authorised etc
[04:18:40] tpanarch1st: unauthorised*
[04:18:52] tpanarch1st: failed login in english
[04:19:33] tpanarch1st: so, in really basic terms, how have we come on to http status codes in a conversation about ruby, you're obviously trying to teach me something here and I appreciate your time :)
[04:20:02] tpanarch1st: never heard of a 418 or a 503 :-p
[04:20:17] tpanarch1st: i could stop being lazy and go on to wiki for that :-p
[04:20:38] tpanarch1st: baweaver: you're not a covert drug dealer are you :-p :-p
[04:21:01] tpanarch1st: wicked, so this is a great start - "Ruby uses Rack under the hood"
[04:21:07] tpanarch1st: so taking it from there, what the goodness is rack!
[04:21:35] tpanarch1st: will this give a total newbie a good idea
[04:21:47] tpanarch1st: oh wicked yes it does
[04:22:24] tpanarch1st: ok so just to paste this
[04:22:25] tpanarch1st: To use Rack, provide an "app": an object that responds to the call method, taking the environment hash as a parameter, and returning an Array with three elements:
[04:23:10] tpanarch1st: a) what is an app, b) what is a call method c) i thought hashes were things like md5 and d_ where does an array come into it when i haven't even started writing code :)
[04:24:06] tpanarch1st: i think there needs to be a "ruby in basic english" website and then i can continue :-p
[04:24:25] tpanarch1st: cool so can we say my web server is an app
[04:24:50] tpanarch1st: ok cool, so i shall substitute that word in my brain :)
[04:25:42] tpanarch1st: and rack doesn't provide my web server though :) a quicker way is can someone rewrite that quote in really dumbass terms for me please
[04:26:20] tpanarch1st: i won't take offence, the more basic the better!
[04:26:35] tpanarch1st: and not bbc basic either :-p :-p
[04:26:56] tpanarch1st: yeah in other words a web browser right
[04:27:13] tpanarch1st: that does that stuff for you i thought
[04:28:10] tpanarch1st: oh cool, yeah last two terms i've heard of uplime
[04:28:59] tpanarch1st: so like everything i've heard so far is not a basic start to php, there's obviously a good reason for this but i'm clearly failing to grasp it
[04:30:11] tpanarch1st: it might help if i make clear i've never become competent in even one programming language :)
[04:32:34] tpanarch1st: so like, this is not meant to be rude, and how often do comments get taken the wrong way by text") but how does http requests, rack etc come into starting to type some code and shove some crap in a database and query it please
[04:42:14] tpanarch1st: thanks ever so much guys, i'm going to go to bed now :)
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