#ruby-offtopic - 29 April 2016
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[00:01:08] eam: smathy: like, here https://www.quora.com/How-much-do-tech-internships-in-Silicon-Valley-pay
[00:02:00] smathy: eam, you keep providing information to back up your claim, as if I doubt you. I'm not doubting your figures, I'm saying that it makes no sense to me.
[00:03:52] eam: it's easy to find out what the spread is, just talk to an intern who's interviewed at a few places
[00:04:32] eam: having trained up something like a decade worth of summer interns and seeing which convert into FTE, it's probably the best hiring vector by far
[00:04:50] smathy: $72k for an intern - I don't know what their angle is, a 3 month bet to find the single diamond amongst the chafe.
[00:06:47] smathy: Maybe, interns can be distracting to your other much higher paid, much more productive team members.
[00:07:45] eam: you might be surprised, they're often equally productive and don't take THAT much longer to ramp up than regular newhires
[00:08:28] smathy: Especially once you add up the whole program that these companies create. I mean I'm sure for large employers it is a trivial expense vs the rest of their payroll and costs, so I suppose it makes sense from a sheer numbers perspective, even from a PR perspective.
[00:09:39] eam: when you do the math on how much you're leaving on the table because you can't hire enough -- it starts to rationalize some crazy high compensation figures and hiring risks
[00:09:39] smathy: I might be surprised, although I suppose if you're one of those sorts of employers, and paying those sorts of rates, then you're really hoping to appeal to the very top echelon of students.
[00:10:05] eam: yeah, to be completely fair, the students making the cuts at those companies are coming from top schools
[00:10:39] eam: or have reached out because they've become notable in their OSS work prior to entering the field
[00:13:19] smathy: I suppose I can imagine it working in that context, not for most employers though.
[00:16:07] eam: it's mostly medium to large employers with big onboarding programs, smaller employers can't tolerate the variability and risk
[01:16:31] eam: the weirdest thing about working for yahoo was knowing you were super in the black profitable, yet market valued at less than the company's holdings in asia
[16:50:45] hxegon: complete with that weird news caster sign off inflection. "it seems there was more than a... Basset hound... on guard."
[19:06:38] mwlang: hmmm… a *real* conversation in here and not just hangman? Have y’all gone bonkers? :-o
[19:07:45] mwlang: ACTION thinks about going to work for airbnb…that’s some serious $$ for fresh talent.
[21:46:31] baweaver: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/no-starch-hacking-books - some good stuff in this one.
[22:33:34] baweaver: basically export the current DOS sectors to a cloud bucket and backup the drive
[22:35:58] smathy: ...well kinda, you have to make sure that your stubbed operations create the right state to be read by whatever it is.
[22:36:49] smathy: They can be ignored for the rollback but not for how to implement the write operations.