#ruby-offtopic - 05 November 2017
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[06:04:54] baweaver: Mentioned it on rails offtopic, but I'm writing a complete n00b intro to Ruby called: An Illustrated Guide to Ruby
[06:05:34] baweaver: The book itself will be free, I just want to try and lower the barrier to entry a bit more
[06:35:36] apeiros: before it I barely found it worthwhile to watch. now it starts to be interesting.
[16:27:14] Papierkorb: It feels weird how closed down everything else is compared to IT. You can learn practically everything in IT through free, high-quality resources. I know I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that. But when I look for photography stuff, there's some material for sure, but way less in quantity
[16:53:44] apeiros: Papierkorb: well, in 5-10y photogaphy will be 99% "point camera in general direction, let AI choose and enhance good pictures, choose your favorite"
[16:54:26] Papierkorb: Well with or without AI, it's what people already do. The point-and-shoot camera is dead, for good reasons!
[16:55:25] Papierkorb: The professional camera market is doing better than ever actually. An AI can help you choose maybe, or suggest nice coloring or whatever, and that's what many with their phones care about. That's fine. But the pro stuff won't actually die out. I doubt it.
[16:56:25] Papierkorb: Also, AI is never something original. Those "big pictures" aren't simply in their grasp, let alone because they can't manipulate the environment like a human can.
[16:58:33] Papierkorb: nofxx: You can build an application to e.g. to auto retouching of faces, or removing people in the background
[16:59:38] Papierkorb: apeiros: AI simply can't do something original, not in the way we define them now. ML is like the borg: Can do what it's seen, but can't understand what it can't inspect
[17:00:15] apeiros: Papierkorb: I bet you it'll be less than 10y when you won't be able whether original art is from a human or an AI
[17:00:37] elomatreb: You could argue that we can't either (can you think of a truly alien concept?), we are just trained more
[17:00:48] Papierkorb: Well that's because real originality is scarce, even today, and has always been
[17:01:42] apeiros: essentially, all art is building up on existing works. so how much originality does it have to "contain" to be "original"?
[17:05:20] apeiros: elomatreb: agreed. and that might not be a bad thing. might give new impulses to old topics.
[17:06:40] elomatreb: From a very pragmatic POV I don't like it, as it disguises the real problems of current "AI" technologies. People don't understand that it is always and completely biased from the data you train it with, and treat it like an absolute, neutral source of truth
[17:09:58] apeiros: one of the worst aspects of it is how it'll in all likeliness make minorities suffer even more
[17:10:41] elomatreb: Yeah, and people are seriously discussing machine learning systems assisting in sentencing and stuff
[17:12:32] Papierkorb: There's no "holy grail" technology. AI is technology. It's no holy grail like many make it out to be. Which is a serious issue
[17:13:36] Papierkorb: Though then, many also don't think that their mundane jobs are at risk, as "who would hire a computer?!". Which is kinda ironic, that they're asking such a question in a financial market system
[17:15:43] elomatreb: While I do agree that further automation will have a very large effect, I don't think ML is the primary cause for that. E.g. the ability to confuse many systems completely if you have access to the training data is a problem in systems like the financial ones
[17:16:41] elomatreb: E.g. the image recognition neural nets can be confused to recognize almost anything as something completely different, just by changing pixels invisibly to the human eye
[17:46:09] dminuoso: Honestly though, can you actually walk into an apple store and get free help from a "genius" >?
[17:47:16] apeiros: when I got my repaired MBP back, they cleaned the internals of my work laptop for free (opened it up and blew pressurized air through)
[17:48:41] apeiros: when your laptop starts making weird fan sounds, it's time to do that. it probably gathered some dust.
[17:49:43] apeiros: because after all, it's apple's fuck up that the keyboard doesn't work properly under normal work conditions.
[17:49:54] dminuoso: Well, in my case it appears to be something sticky, though I have no clue what that could be. (Yes, barely got it back a months and I got keyboard issues again)
[17:50:48] apeiros: meh, no, I don't like how it feels either, even after giving it time to get used.
[17:52:50] dminuoso: Just tried pouring in some water in those keys, pushing the key a few times, and then pushing the water out with canned air.
[17:53:35] apeiros: terrible parts re keyboard: no proper insulation from rest of board (I mean come on, a single <0.1mm layer would have sufficed). difficult to clean. impossible to replace without replacing whole top case (which includes friggin expensive touchbar, battery and touchpad)
[17:55:35] apeiros: I mean I wouldn't even mind that if they subtracted salvageable parts from the repair price
[17:55:45] dminuoso: If this had been a personal laptop Id be giggling right now, because it was all under warranty.
[17:56:00] apeiros: but the 400.- almost certainly is material cost of battery+keyboard+trackpad+touchbar
[17:57:09] apeiros: (there was this "please rate your experience" thing after the repair which got a couple of 1's from me - upon which the question was added whether I'd mind a phone call)
[17:58:26] apeiros: and I think I was rather clear on this whole thing being inacceptable and me almost certainly stopping with apple products with the next laptop.
[18:28:42] dminuoso: So. When in Star Trek something goes wrong, and they get a feedback loop from some weather station, the ships environmental systems produce fog on the ship.