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[01:24:13] jackcom: ruby have concept of nested function?
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[01:35:18] hdm: anyone remember off-hand how to check the class name of a VALUE in an extension? strcmp("Something::Something", rb_class_name(some_obj)) == 0 seems like the wrong approach
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[03:03:27] HarryKuntz: how is ruby used besides rails?
[03:04:13] ja: for whatever you'd like, HarryKuntz
[03:04:18] ja: a lot of people use it for scripting things
[03:04:41] ja: for the same things you'd use Perl or shell scripting, for instance
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[03:05:49] HarryKuntz: but aren't rails apps technically scripts?
[03:06:59] ja: HarryKuntz: quoting Wikipedia: ???The term "scripting language" is also used loosely to refer to dynamic high-level general-purpose language, such as Perl,[1] Tcl, and Python,[2] with the term "script" often used for small programs (up to a few thousand lines of code) in such languages???
[03:07:04] ja: ???small programs???
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[03:07:22] ja: so that depends on your definition, but yes, Ruby is definitely a dynamic high-level general-purpose language
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[03:08:38] Yzguy: anyone have experience with the inifile gem?
[03:08:43] xybre: If you squint so is Java.
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[03:09:02] HarryKuntz: so is c but nobody uses c anymore
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[03:09:25] xybre: C doesn't qualify because it's low lvel, not dynamic, and compiled.
[03:09:34] ja: what xybre said
[03:09:39] Radar: HarryKuntz: Please change your name.
[03:10:13] HarryKuntz: Radar: are we not allowed to use our real names?
[03:10:15] Yzguy: When using the inifile gem, when you do like ini.write, it writes out the file, but all the comments in the original file are gone
[03:10:18] Radar: http://ruby-community.com/pages/user_rules#rule_2_10 "Using a sexually or racially charged nickname"
[03:10:21] havenwood: Yzguy: Have an inifile gem question?
[03:10:28] Radar: +q HarryKuntz!*@*
[03:10:29] Yzguy: anyone experience that or have a solution?
[03:10:36] Radar: crap troll attempt is crap
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[03:11:00] ja: Radar: what if their name really was Harry Kuntz?
[03:11:06] Yzguy: ill get a gist of what im doing sec
[03:11:22] Radar: ja: What an unfortunate name.
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[03:13:18] Yzguy: https://gist.github.com/yzguy/ac27a68f218945693526
[03:13:49] Yzguy: so i'm just playing with it, but so the "original" is the actual file, the new one is what the output is after doing that ini.write
[03:14:03] Yzguy: all the comments go away, curious if there is a way to keep the comments
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[03:16:01] Yzguy: oh i think i see the solution
[03:16:16] Yzguy: on the initialize you can say :comment = "#", and i think it should recognize it
[03:16:27] ja: Yzguy: ???Comment lines are ignored when parsing INI files.??? ??? I???m not sure, but it could sound like comments aren???t even parsed and therefore cannot be written out again.
[03:16:48] Yzguy: yeah thats what i thought, lemme try this comment param real quick
[03:17:02] Radar: !ban HarryKuntz !T 1d
[03:17:03] ja: Spoiler: It won???t work. Sorry.
[03:17:09] Radar: !ban HarryKuntz !T 1D
[03:17:16] Radar: Ruboto is offline. Sad.
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[03:17:25] ja: Yzguy: https://github.com/TwP/inifile/blob/master/lib/inifile.rb#L429 & https://github.com/TwP/inifile/blob/master/lib/inifile.rb#L522
[03:17:42] ja: It???s completely ignored by the parser. :<
[03:17:58] ja: Yeah, indeed.
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[03:18:10] xybre: There's a few other ini parsers out there
[03:19:01] xybre: Most parsers ignore comments though, which can be troublesome.
[03:19:40] ja: I can imagine it could also be troublesome to make a parser which preserves the comments.
[03:19:55] Yzguy: I'm basically writing a tool around VMware fusion to add port forwards, etc. Was nice having comments, but I guess I can do witout
[03:19:59] xybre: Nah, it's not hard, just lazy.
[03:20:11] xybre: ACTION is lazy and writes parsers that ignore comments
[03:20:35] ja: Very well. Tedious, not troublesome, then.
[03:20:35] xybre: Yzguy: time for wiki docmentation that'll never get updated or read!
[03:20:44] Yzguy: its just for me
[03:21:00] Yzguy: I'm just gonna make a copy in the same directory so I can refer to it if necessary
[03:21:03] xybre: Doubly so then. Or you can put comments in your git commits.
[03:21:13] ja: Or on post-its.
[03:21:42] Yzguy: alrighty, well learning experience for all of us then it seems haha
[03:21:44] Yzguy: thanks guys
[03:23:58] ja: np Yzguy
[03:24:20] Yzguy: I'm trying to get more into ruby and writing little tooling around stuff is what I'm doing to learn :P
[03:24:53] Yzguy: https://github.com/yzguy/yzguy-sandbox/blob/master/ruby/utilities/ldaplook
[03:25:11] Yzguy: Wrote that the other day for work to help me look up people's accounts quickly in LDAP
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[03:25:27] ja: yay, colors!
[03:25:51] Yzguy: haha I'm a sucker for colors
[03:26:03] ja: colors are super great, I think
[03:26:12] ja: as is LDAP
[03:26:37] xybre: Yzguy: have you tried using environment variables for your credentials instead of hard coding them?
[03:27:04] Yzguy: there aren't any creds in there
[03:27:08] Yzguy: its an anonymous bind
[03:27:27] Yzguy: but yeah that's what I usually do for stuff, in that repo is some other stuff I've done and it's all environment variables
[03:27:30] xybre: Yzguy: I see that, but there's "" where they would be hard coded
[03:27:38] ja: maybe xybre meant `server` and `base`
[03:27:50] Yzguy: yeah thats cuz I stripped out work specific stuff
[03:27:59] xybre: Yeah in this case `server` and `base`.
[03:28:14] xybre: `ENV['ldap_server']` etc
[03:28:36] Yzguy: Yeah I could do that
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[03:49:13] Yzguy: okay, got a rough sample. Any suggestions on making it better? https://gist.github.com/yzguy/ac27a68f218945693526
[03:49:57] Yzguy: I'm gonna variablize stuff later when I stick it in the actual other script but thats just the first pass
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[03:59:36] Radar: Oh right, the whole ruboto thing
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[04:08:37] xybre: Yzguy: why not wrap that in an object? You have everything you need, state&behaviour, and you can encapsulate it pretty easy.
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[04:12:04] Yzguy: https://gist.github.com/yzguy/240f6d48b6551b69a6f4
[04:12:19] ja: ???variablize??? ??? what a lovely word
[04:12:44] Yzguy: the hip people say it
[04:12:47] Yzguy: i want to blend in
[04:13:55] xybre: Yzguy: yep, and you can even parameterize the filename if you end up wanting to reuse the same pattern for other files.
[04:14:08] Yzguy: I just did my :wq on doing that exactly :P
[04:14:15] ja: Really? I'm so anti-hip I haven't even noticed. Imma start using it now though.
[04:14:26] xybre: Yzguy: :D
[04:14:39] xybre: ACTION variablizes ja
[04:14:45] Yzguy: "Yeahhh, this is all wrong. You gotta variablize everything....here, here, definitely here. Are you sure you're a developer?"
[04:15:08] xybre: ACTION class variablizes @@Yzguy
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[04:15:54] ja: ACTION constantizes xybre 
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[04:18:52] xybre: Ech, looks weird capitalized.
[04:19:01] ja: sorry, xybre
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[04:19:57] ja: it should've been all caps, xybre ???????
[04:21:37] xybre: Technically, anything starting with a capital is a constant in Ruby, like class names and modules.
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[04:25:18] jackcom: ruby have a concept of nested function?
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[04:35:31] Radar: no jackcom
[04:36:43] jackcom: Radar: no :(
[04:36:54] Radar: jackcom: Why so depressed about it?
[04:36:55] jackcom: nested function is very good
[04:37:05] jackcom: why ruby don???t have it?
[04:37:16] Radar: I honestly can't tell if you trolling or not.
[04:37:22] Radar: Explain why you think you need it.
[04:37:46] jackcom: because it is good for frame work.
[04:38:18] Radar: jackcom: Ok, definitely trolling. You're doing a crap job of explaining yourself.
[04:38:23] Radar: Rails does fine without nested functions.
[04:38:42] blubjr: in ruby, i think you just use private methods jackcom
[04:38:45] jackcom: lol i m not troll
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[04:38:58] jackcom: private method?
[04:39:05] jackcom: i don???t know private method?
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[04:40:14] Radar: blubjr: what
[04:40:37] Radar: jackcom: What is the purpose of a nested function? Explain IN CODE why you would want a nested function?
[04:40:46] blubjr: as the solution of helper functions not polluting your namespace
[04:40:59] blubjr: implementation hiding
[04:41:17] jackcom: Radar: i can???t explain it because it is too complicated.
[04:41:19] Radar: ACTION literally can't even.
[04:41:32] Radar: jackcom: Ok, definitely convinced you're a troll now. Putting you on ignore/
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[04:41:45] jackcom: i m innocent and kind
[04:41:59] blubjr: radar: am i confused about something
[04:42:04] Radar: Sure you are.
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[04:43:58] Radar: blubjr: "I am confused about something" "Yes, that is likely" "???"
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[04:44:01] Radar: DOUBLE CONFUSIN
[04:44:15] Radar: I also appreciate that you pinged me just to tell me that you're confused about something without actually telling me about the thing that you're confused with.
[04:44:21] Radar: Almost like that you don't care that I have Real Work(tm) to be doing instead?
[04:45:01] jackcom: Radar: you can hear my saying?
[04:45:04] blubjr: i was asking if i was....you didnt like my first answer and you didn't acknowledge my second
[04:45:21] blubjr: i thought maybe i misunderstood what you were talking about or something
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[04:49:38] blubjr: Radar: was there a problem with my answer, i thought it was pretty straight forward
[04:49:54] Radar: blubjr: Yes. I don't understand what helper methods have to do with nested functions at all.
[04:50:07] Radar: private methods are something completely different to what jackcom is asking for
[04:50:36] blubjr: Radar: in languages that have nested functions thats normally where you put them, inside the function they're helping
[04:50:38] jackcom: yes right private method != nested function.
[04:50:59] Radar: Ok, I misunderstood.
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[04:51:09] Radar: (This is why I emphasise that people should show code)
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[04:53:33] Yzguy: https://github.com/yzguy/fusionmanage/blob/master/fusionmanage.rb#L18
[04:53:47] Yzguy: getting a fusionmanage.rb:18:in `system': no implicit conversion of nil into String (TypeError)
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[04:56:29] Yzguy: nevermind i think i got it
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[04:59:59] rubyist007: hi is there a way to view list of required files in a ruby script
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[05:04:09] havenwood: rubyist007: See: $LOADED_FEATURES
[05:06:31] rubyist007: thanks haven that did it
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[05:20:36] Yzguy: okay, this one i cannot figure out: https://gist.github.com/yzguy/ef854a5f870d32932303
[05:20:41] Yzguy: https://github.com/yzguy/fusionmanage repo
[05:21:44] Yzguy: my thoughts have been its not interpreting one of the variables in the array, and looks at it as just []
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[05:45:11] Yzguy: ahh its because im trying to open a file i dont have permissions to
[05:45:36] Yzguy: the inifile thing, don't have permissions to the @inifile is a NilClass because of it, and everything breaks
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[06:08:50] Yzguy: so...yeah the file path was in single quotes, and it didn't like it, so i put it in double quotes, it works great
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[06:28:15] devbug: Say I have an array: %w{foo bar quux}
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[06:28:29] devbug: What's the cleanest way to iterate it as:
[06:28:51] devbug: ['foo', 'bar', 'quux'], ['foo', 'bar'], ['foo']?
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[06:30:28] devbug: I basically want the opposite of tail/heading
[06:30:33] devbug: (recursively)
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[06:34:28] devbug: yeah, iteratively popping is fugly
[06:34:38] havenwood: >> a = %w{foo bar quux}; a.size.downto(1).map { |n| a.first n }
[06:34:47] havenwood: #=> [["foo", "bar", "quux"], ["foo", "bar"], ["foo"]]
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[06:35:31] ja: havenwood: how clever
[06:35:48] devbug: havenwood: oh that's delicious
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[06:49:07] BLACKLIVESMATTER: IF YOU IS BLACK ND YU WANNA TALK BOUT RIL PROBLEMS TYPE /join #NIGGERCHANNEL
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[06:50:07] havenwood: cyberfawkes: Just ignore trolls.
[06:50:30] cyberfawkes: This is the only channel I've seen this happen in.
[06:50:34] cyberfawkes: I don't understand why.
[06:50:55] havenwood: cyberfawkes: One bored troll who logs in a few times a day?
[06:51:08] cyberfawkes: Yeah, but why #ruby?
[06:51:13] cyberfawkes: Seems like an odd choice.
[06:51:15] havenwood: cyberfawkes: Over 1000 people.
[06:51:32] cyberfawkes: That would be a good reason.
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[06:54:46] xybre: Yeah havenwood got it.
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[07:51:11] cyberfawkes: Excess flood?
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[10:29:30] apeiros: -o apeiros
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[10:29:33] adaedra: That's a nice hat you have.
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[10:30:13] apeiros: netsplits. and it seems ruboto is still stuck on the other side.
[10:30:30] adaedra: FreeNode's still having splits? Not good.
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[10:32:31] cyberfawkes: adaedra: that's quite odd.
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[10:32:53] cyberfawkes: we were talking about that earlier.
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[10:35:12] adaedra: .... and parts.
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[10:38:35] adaedra: apeiros: do you know on which server ruboto is connected on?
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[11:07:59] shevy: there was that rails-hype peak
[11:08:39] shevy: afterwards it semi-declined to the initial value, which increased a tiny bit - http://goo.gl/dP1YsR
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[11:12:34] apeiros: ACTION knows he can count on shevy to raise the halsbe peak when it's ready ;-D
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[11:14:48] jackcom: i think that lua is more difficult than ruby?
[11:14:50] shevy: making a language is very hard, see Araq with nim
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[11:14:54] alcy: apeiros: hey, around ?
[11:15:00] shevy: though nim seemed more interesting to me than python
[11:15:14] jackcom: what is nim?
[11:15:21] jackcom: i heard it firstly
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[11:15:42] apeiros: alcy: for a couple of seconds.
[11:16:11] shevy: jackcom yes yes yes ;) http://nim-lang.org/ the syntax can be peculiar... proc unsafeScanf(f: File, s: cstring) {.varargs, importc: "fscanf", header: "<stdio.h>".}
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[11:16:58] jackcom: there is old saying that ???go through one way???.
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[11:17:16] alcy: apeiros: umm, regarding our conversation yesterday about yield...I am implemented times using each (5.times { .. } ) at https://gist.github.com/alcy/9a2da91b4b5fb240aec1
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[11:18:28] apeiros: alcy: ah, that'll take too much time. sorry. I'm hungry. gotta get something to eat. maybe later.
[11:18:35] apeiros: else there's plenty of capable people here :)
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[11:18:55] alcy: apeiros: cool
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[11:20:06] alcy: hey folks, can someone take a look at this https://gist.github.com/alcy/9a2da91b4b5fb240aec1 - I am implementing the times method using each. It works fine. Any suggestions generally ?
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