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[00:00:49] volty: ().ok too
[00:01:52] ricx: i can do it the long way class Array; def ok; etc..., but i want to understand why is not working on def Array.ok
[00:02:16] volty: I want to understand why you want to understand
[00:02:56] volty: you said you are novice, but you go right away with defining class methods
[00:03:36] volty: yours smell as alchemy trials
[00:03:49] ricx: i never say that lmao
[00:04:24] volty: >> class Array; def ok(); true end; end; [].class.ok
[00:04:25] ruby[bot]: volty: # => undefined method `ok' for Array:Class (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522133)
[00:04:42] volty: >> class Array; def self.ok(); true end; end; [].class.ok
[00:04:43] ruby[bot]: volty: # => true (https://eval.in/522134)
[00:05:54] ricx: >> def Array.ok; puts 1; end; [].ok
[00:06:04] volty: >> class Array; def ok; "instance ok"; end; def self.ok(); "class ok"; end; end; puts [].ok ; puts [].class.ok
[00:06:05] ruby[bot]: volty: # => instance ok ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522136)
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[00:09:44] ricx: oh i get it!, nvm
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[00:12:42] ricx: >> class Array; def ok; "instance ok"; end; def self.ok(); "class ok"; end; end; puts [].ok ; puts [].class.ok
[00:13:57] volty: because those > are from another coding, troll
[00:13:59] Papierkorb: volty, ricx, make sure you're authenticated to Freenodes NickServ
[00:14:21] ruby[bot]: Papierkorb: # => (https://eval.in/522139)
[00:14:38] ricx: why this not work ?
[00:14:47] ruby[bot]: volty: # => :me? (https://eval.in/522140)
[00:14:58] volty: he is just trolling
[00:17:46] volty: and is continuing in private. so I have to tell you - above, the bot didn't execute my code because i copy & pasted ricx's '>>' (fake, probably from another set)
[00:18:08] Papierkorb: volty: conspiracy confirmed
[00:18:20] shevy: let's burn the troll!
[00:18:34] shevy: ah a webchatter :)
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[00:20:52] volty: trollbuster , trollbuster, i'm a trollbuster :)
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[00:37:00] volty: shevy: sterminatore, uccisore sound awful. and that word is almost out of use (omicida better for the usual killers)
[00:37:47] shevy: volty do you know the old movie L'armata Brancaleone?
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[00:38:24] volty: one of the my favourites, one of the best
[00:38:36] volty: a masterpiece
[00:38:42] shevy: ah... perhaps it was you who told me anyway... that they used different dialects
[00:40:07] volty: look, Monicelli (the director) in an interview told (what I already knew btw) that all "dialect" in that film was invented
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[00:45:31] volty: and, another one before I go, another nice thing from that interview was that he told his point of view on the middle age, he said (more or less, but the sense is there) «Yes, we invented the language, we put them in misery, some of them are trying to ennoble the middle age, but the real life in middle age was like that depicted in the film — dirty, fuzzy, ill, ignorant, lost etc etc. »
[00:46:03] shevy: and they had no ruby too
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[00:46:45] volty: they didn't know where their buts were till they felt some itch :)
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[02:13:57] Somelauw: Hi, I'm new to gem. Is there a way to install something with gem without root?
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[02:26:54] havenwood: Somelauw: There's a `--user-install` flag you can use with `gem install` for example: --[no-]user-install Install in user's home directory instead
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[02:27:28] Somelauw: that will do
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[02:27:55] havenwood: *instead of GEM_HOME.
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[02:28:19] havenwood: Somelauw: There's more reading about options here: gem help install
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[02:32:36] bgai: hello anyone
[02:32:42] bgai: i hv a q
[02:32:47] bgai: help actually
[02:33:00] skweek: what's your question?
[02:33:08] skweek: I can't say I'll answer it, but I'm sure that I can read it
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[04:15:35] xuex: and should i do it this way?
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[05:35:42] becker_11: Hi, I've installed rbenv & v2.2.3 on my Mac but now I have a bunch of text appearing everytime I open a terminal. It's not my prompt as I've cleared and recreated my prompt so I'm guessing it's something to do with the ruby/rbenv install. Would someone mind taking a look?
[05:35:44] becker_11: https://www.dropbox.com/s/q1eojlllazd4x3c/Screenshot%202016-02-20%2013.33.02.png?dl=0
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[05:42:58] Ropeney: becker_11, can you gist your config.fish?
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[05:43:17] becker_11: ropeney: okay
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[05:47:15] becker_11: okay ropeney here's the link https://gist.github.com/nathanieloffer/40bc032d336ea08efaa4
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[05:48:57] Ropeney: becker_11, try adding http://codeyarns.com/2015/02/13/how-to-set-rbenv-shims-for-fish-shell/
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[05:51:48] becker_11: So replace the Path lines in my file with the ones from this link?
[05:53:55] Ropeney: you want to add them to your existing
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[05:58:20] becker_11: ropeney: Doesn't seem to have changed anything tbh.
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[06:00:18] Ropeney: becker_11, what did you add when you installed rbenv? Do you have the link of the guide you followed?
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[06:01:58] becker_11: ropeney: I might be able to find it if I search my history but it would be a long shot
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[06:03:22] Ropeney: becker_11, I'm not very experienced with fish but your config looks fine, I think you've added something in the wrong spot; possibly following a guide for a different shell.
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[06:06:38] becker_11: I tried searching my history in this chat room as I know I pasted the link in here but nothing showed up (it was a week or so back)
[06:11:45] becker_11: Hang on I'm just trying something else might still be able to find the url
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[06:18:44] becker_11: ropeney: amazingly even searching my google search history I can't find the url I used to install rbenv
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[06:21:54] Ropeney: becker_11, did u use brew to install rbenv or?
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[06:28:11] becker_11: ropeney: not by the looks. Think I cloned a git repo
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[06:31:40] Ropeney: becker_11, try http://www.simonewebdesign.it/getting-started-with-rbenv/ but i gotta head out
[06:31:48] becker_11: ropeney: hang on just checking brew. I did install rbenv thru brew
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[06:32:09] Ropeney: becker_11, okay that guide wont work
[06:32:20] Ropeney: becker_11, use https://coderwall.com/p/jfj4rg/getting-fish-rbenv-homebrew-playing-nice-together in your config
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[06:32:48] Ropeney: make sure you reload your config when you make changes
[06:33:25] Ropeney: becker_11, which is `source .config/fish/config.fish`
[06:33:40] becker_11: ropeney: reloading config is that the same source ~/ command I previously used with Bash?
[06:33:50] becker_11: haha thanks ropeney
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[06:47:51] becker_11: ropeney: Thanks for that guide. I blitzed my config.fish and replaced it with the lines at the top of the guide and it fixed the issue
[06:48:24] becker_11: ropeney: also cleaned up my rather messy $Path
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[07:38:59] SweetSoulBro: I have a questions
[07:39:05] SweetSoulBro: What's the practical application of ruby?
[07:39:27] SweetSoulBro: Like could I use ruby to make a game?
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[13:02:12] apeiros: any other javascript parser in ruby than https://github.com/tenderlove/rkelly ?
[13:02:29] apeiros: all I want is get an AST including comments
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[14:45:42] apeiros: didn't consider that because they translate from ruby to javascript - so no need to parse js
[14:46:11] apeiros: but yeah, maybe I should check. but atm I chose an approach which doesn't require me to actually parse any js. reduces complexity of the task considerably.
[14:46:12] manveru: yeah... who knows
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[18:24:54] shevy: it is sleepy weekend again
[18:25:40] pipework: shevy: In Eugene, Oregon, it's the Asian Celebration weekend.
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[18:29:04] kaleido: unfortunately, its also eugene, oregon
[18:29:20] ponga: who said asian celebration weekend
[18:29:58] pipework: kaleido: Fortunately.
[18:30:12] pipework: It's a nice place if you can handle the transients.
[18:30:30] shevy: I don't even know where that is!
[18:31:04] pipework: shevy: yandex search it.
[18:31:09] kaleido: pipework: im just bein facetious, i dont have any particular problem with oregon
[18:31:16] kaleido: little liberal for my liking, but to each his own
[18:33:03] ponga: shevy: have you tried crystal language?
[18:33:09] pipework: Fun language^
[18:33:27] dn5: how to create an array of dates instead using a variable for day1, day2 etc.
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[18:33:45] dn5: so I can have day[1] = day1
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[18:36:07] kaleido: day = [day0, day1, day2, day3, day4, day5, day6, day7]
[18:36:11] kaleido: or something similar?
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[18:37:00] pipework: shevy: http://i.imgur.com/cUvGOGb.jpg
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[18:37:23] kaleido: youd have to put each day into ""
[18:37:32] pipework: kaleido: You're just bothered that we charge people for bags, so most people bring reusables.
[18:37:47] kaleido: >> day = ["day0", "day1", "day2", "day3", "day4", "day5", "day6", "day7"] ; day[1]
[18:37:49] ruby[bot]: kaleido: # => "day1" (https://eval.in/522369)
[18:38:04] pipework: dn5: Are the days just consecutive days
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[18:45:32] pipework: >> 4.times.inject([Date.today]) {|acc, _| acc << acc.last.succ }
[18:45:33] ruby[bot]: pipework: # => uninitialized constant Date ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522377)
[18:45:36] dn5: kaleido: thats what I'm asking
[18:45:41] pipework: >> require 'date'; 4.times.inject([Date.today]) {|acc, _| acc << acc.last.succ }
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[18:45:42] ruby[bot]: pipework: # => [#<Date: 2016-02-20 ((2457439j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)>, #<Date: 2016-02-21 ((2457440j,0s,0n),+0s,22991 ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522378)
[18:45:47] dn5: pipework: I don't understand what you are asking
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[18:46:58] pipework: dn5: You said you had some dates you wanted in an array, are the dates consecutive?
[18:47:56] kaleido: dn5: glad my limited knowledge of ruby could help
[18:47:59] dn5: pipework: yes, Date.today + 1, Date.today + 2, ..., today + 7
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[18:48:56] dn5: >> (today .. today + 7).inject { |init, date| "{#init} #{date}"}
[18:48:57] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => undefined local variable or method `today' for main:Object (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522379)
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[18:49:45] dn5: >> today = Date.today; (today .. today + 7).inject { |init, date| "{#init} #{date}"}
[18:49:46] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => uninitialized constant Date ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522380)
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[18:51:20] dn5: >> require 'date'; today = Date.today; (today .. today + 7).inject { |init, date| "{#init} #{date}"}
[18:51:21] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => "{#init} 2016-02-27" (https://eval.in/522383)
[18:51:49] pipework: >> ((today=Date.today)..today.next_day(4))
[18:51:50] ruby[bot]: pipework: # => uninitialized constant Date ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522384)
[18:52:17] pipework: >> require 'date'; ((today=Date.today)..today.next_day(4))
[18:52:18] ruby[bot]: pipework: # => #<Date: 2016-02-20 ((2457439j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)>..#<Date: 2016-02-24 ((2457443j,0s,0n),+0s,229916 ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522385)
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[18:52:55] pipework: Or 7, whichever.
[18:52:57] dn5: pipework: thats awesome, totaly forgot about next_day
[18:53:14] pipework: dn5: There's also #succ, but we shouldn't have to enumerate, right? :D
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[18:53:28] dn5: Didn't even read the docs properly, I though it doesn't accept arguments in next_day
[18:53:48] pipework: Words can be pretty nice.
[18:54:08] dn5: Thanks tho
[18:54:12] pipework: dn5: Anyways, hope that helped somewhat. :D
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[18:54:37] dn5: sure it does
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[19:01:09] Ox0dea: pipework: Why not just Date#+ there?
[19:01:25] pipework: Ox0dea: Enumerating each one, I guess.
[19:01:29] pipework: Range is nice tho
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[19:01:41] Ox0dea: (today..today + 7)
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[19:01:52] pipework: Ox0dea: Oh, I said I like words.
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[19:02:32] pipework: Here, I know it's a Date, so I'd rather use the much more date-y thing `#next_day(n=1)`
[19:03:03] pipework: Wanna type yourself some ducks? support #next_day because that's more the point than addition.
[19:03:33] Ox0dea: I can't say I follow. Date#+ has a perfectly intuitive definition.
[19:03:33] pipework: Or just pass in the date you want for the second arg to Range.new.
[19:03:47] pipework: Ox0dea: Intuitive, yes, but it doesn't duck type as nicely.
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[19:03:59] pipework: I want dates, so #next_day makes more sense than duck typing to +
[19:04:22] pipework: The expected interface is a date.
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[19:04:50] Ox0dea: Date#+ returns a Date...
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[19:05:04] pipework: And many things respond to +.
[19:05:19] pipework: Only dates respond to #next_day
[19:05:25] pipework: I *must* get a date.
[19:05:47] apeiros: pipework: just ensure it's a date using .to_date?
[19:05:48] pipework: Things that respond to + don't always duck type like dates.
[19:06:08] pipework: apeiros: I mean, I could just expect them to pass in the date they want.
[19:06:29] pipework: But yeah, to_date wouldn't be a bad idea.
[19:07:01] apeiros: ACTION misses context, though (too lazy to read backlog :-S)
[19:07:05] pipework: That'd be kind soft duck typing, right? When you have to convert the object instead of just calling what you want to? I guess it's being safe, right?
[19:07:10] apeiros: so maybe just ignore me :D
[19:07:16] pipework: apeiros: Nah, it's a good thought.
[19:07:57] Ox0dea: pipework: I think the word you want there is "coercion".
[19:08:08] pipework: Ox0dea: Yeah, I think you're right.
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[19:08:48] Ox0dea: "If you can force it to quack like a duck, it's a duck."
[19:09:06] pipework: Ox0dea: "Use the force, luke."
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[19:10:11] pipework: Ox0dea: Even if you disagree with the direction, you get my point though, right?
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[19:10:42] Ox0dea: I think that Date#+ exists and does The Right Thing is fantastic.
[19:11:15] pipework: Ox0dea: Yeah, but Date#+ receiving a string?
[19:11:37] pipework: I just like how clear it is that you're passing the next day count in.
[19:11:49] pipework: I get that + is nice and short and common.
[19:12:29] pipework: that's really all there is about it, I like the words.
[19:12:29] dn5: so much talk about date :p
[19:12:45] Ox0dea: I think `date.next_day(3)` reads much worse than `date + 3`.
[19:12:55] pipework: It takes many kinds.
[19:12:59] apeiros: in the JS class I'm currently working on, I have DateTime.now().add({days: 4}), alternatively: DateTime.now().add(Duration.days(4)) (various other ways to get there)
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[19:13:17] apeiros: but then again, JS doesn't allow sensible overrides of +/- :-|
[19:13:21] pipework: Ox0dea: TIMTOWTDI
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[20:02:02] shevy: poor souls who have to use javascript
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[20:04:37] apeiros: it's not all that bad
[20:04:59] pipework: shevy: I'm just sad for all us slobs that like it.
[20:05:02] apeiros: (yeah, that might be stockholm syndrome)
[20:05:29] dn5: why? vanilajs is actually quite awesome for prototyping
[20:06:09] apeiros: vanillajs? that adds faaaar too much overhead.
[20:06:17] apeiros: lightweight, pffft…
[20:06:29] pipework: it's not so hard.
[20:07:04] pipework: Especially when you encapsulate it within a web component.
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[20:07:36] apeiros: o0 is that satirical or are web components an actual thing?
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[20:10:47] pipework: apeiros: polymer.js
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[20:12:20] apeiros: that… idea looks familiar :<
[20:12:40] apeiros: well, I guess it was bound to happen.
[20:12:52] pipework: https://www.polymer-project.org/1.0/
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[20:23:36] sharkman: how do i use bundle to install the watir-webdriver gem?
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[20:31:44] sharkman: can i nstall phantomjs through bundler??
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[20:32:25] dn5: sharkman: yes
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[20:33:05] dn5: sharkman: it's available on rubygems source: https://rubygems.org/gems/phantomjs/versions/2.1.1.0
[20:34:42] sharkman: thanks. do i need that link? can i just add in "gem 'phantomjs'" in my Gemfile and do bundle install?
[20:35:00] dn5: sharkman: you don't need the link
[20:35:08] dn5: you can bundle it as you said
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[20:37:55] sharkman: wow it says /var/lib/gems/2.1.0/gems/selenium-webdriver-2.52.0/lib/selenium/webdriver/phantomjs/service.rb:38:in `executable_path': Unable to find phantomjs executable. (Selenium::WebDriver::Error::WebDriverError)
[20:38:00] sharkman: this is confusing!
[20:38:15] havenwood: sharkman: translation: you have to install phantomjs to use phantomjs
[20:38:36] dn5: sharkman: gem install phantomjs
[20:38:44] dn5: sharkman: then add it to the gemfile
[20:38:48] dn5: sharkman: and then bundle install
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[20:39:21] sharkman: if i already bundle installed it, should i delete it from bundle first before doing gem install phantomjs?
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[20:42:36] baweaver: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/33540903/install-phantomjs-on-macos-10-11-el-captian
[20:42:47] baweaver: though I would use `npm install -g phantomjs`
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[20:42:58] baweaver: because that gem is hacky
[20:43:12] baweaver: (npm requires node to be installed)
[20:45:43] havenwood: an ode to node:
[20:46:57] Papierkorb: ACTION tries to catch the strawball
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[20:48:03] shevy: node node node oh you alone, so sweet
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[20:54:58] dn5: >> require 'date'; Date.parse("2016-02-20").strftime("%A")
[20:54:59] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => "Saturday" (https://eval.in/522463)
[20:55:11] dn5: damn, I love Ruby
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[20:56:56] sharkman: baweaver what is npm? im on debian...
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[20:58:38] sharkman: Selenium::WebDriver::PhantomJS.path = '/app-root/data/phantomjs/bin/phantomjs.exe'
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[20:58:53] sharkman: it looks like i have to set up a path but since im on debian there is no .exe file right? so what path do i use?
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[20:59:11] dn5: sharkman: depends on what are you trying to do
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[21:00:59] sharkman: dn5 im trying to make this line of code work, browser = Watir::Browser.new(:phantomjs)
[21:01:17] sharkman: i did the gem install phantomjs and i still have the same problem. so i think i have to set the path
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[21:02:38] Yithar: I'm assuming it'd be the path to the executable since that's the way it is for windows; although yes linux executables do not have extensions
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[21:04:16] dn5: Yithar: linux executable can sometimes have extension like .elf .bin, yet any file is executable on linux
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[21:04:59] Yithar: Yeah I know
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[21:06:00] sharkman: interesting
[21:06:03] Yithar: most likely though phantomjs doesn't have an extension like .elf .bin etc
[21:06:25] sharkman: so im gonna try again from scratch. i did gem uninstall phantomjs, and it said it rmoved it succesfully, so how come in my gems folder there is still phantomjs?
[21:06:46] dn5: sharkman: which "gem folder"
[21:07:14] sharkman: var/lib/gems/2.1.0/gems
[21:08:27] dn5: sharkman: rm -R var/lib/gems/2.1.0/gems/phantomjs
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[21:08:46] sharkman: sure but why didnt gem uninstall handle that? isnt that the purpose of gem uninstall?
[21:08:48] dn5: also try gem list | grep phantom
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[21:09:48] dn5: sharkman: it depends
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[21:18:12] sharkman: maybe phantomjs doesnt even work on linux
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[21:22:12] Yithar: That doesn't seem to be the case as PhantomJS provides both 32-bit and 64-bit static builds for linux on their Downloads page
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[21:22:58] Sonja: do projects still fascinate or captivate you?
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[21:29:04] Scriptonaut: Hey guys, when you need some light server side stuff for a single page app (where rails is too heavy for what you need), what framework do you go with, sinatra?
[21:29:31] Scriptonaut: I'm writing a game in ecmascript 6, and I need some basic server side stuff, like loading/writing maps from yaml files, etc
[21:30:20] Ox0dea: Scriptonaut: Why not just Rack?
[21:30:43] Scriptonaut: I never thought about that. Mostly because I've never used rack alone
[21:30:46] Scriptonaut: how hard would it be to learn
[21:30:56] Ox0dea: Not debilitatingly?
[21:31:04] Scriptonaut: ok, I'll try that
[21:31:11] Scriptonaut: off the top of your head, what does sinatra provide that rack doesn't
[21:31:16] Ox0dea: Ease of use.
[21:31:30] Ox0dea: Rack is comparatively "bare metal".
[21:31:45] Scriptonaut: ah, so there wouldn't necessarily be a caveat by using sinatra then?
[21:32:10] Ox0dea: It... might be more than you need?
[21:32:17] Scriptonaut: got it, thanks
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[21:32:40] Ox0dea: Er, well, it's certainly more than you need, but we pay for convenience all the time.
[21:34:00] Ox0dea: Hanami (née Lotus) might be worth a look: http://hanamirb.org/
[21:34:44] Scriptonaut: ooh, that looks promising, thanks
[21:34:52] Ox0dea: Sure thing.
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[21:48:39] shevy: are you people doing cool things today
[21:49:09] shevy: Sonja my own projects not really; other people's projects hmm... when they are mind blowing perhaps. but most projects are well like nothing that will shock the world...
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[22:08:51] Ox0dea: Thoughts? https://eval.in/522493
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[22:11:43] shevy: I am always surprised that this is valid ruby code
[22:12:25] shevy: but you are right - if .dig exists, .bury and .corpses should too :D
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[22:18:18] Ox0dea: >> ObjectSpace.each_object(Class).find { |c| c.methods.include? :dig }
[22:18:19] ruby[bot]: Ox0dea: # => nil (https://eval.in/522499)
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[22:42:59] Ox0dea: That's very clever.
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[22:43:13] dsadajsd: i from brazil
[22:44:06] dsadajsd: ruby, ruby, ruby
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[22:46:22] Ox0dea: https://youtu.be/qObzgUfCl28?t=50
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[22:52:43] pizzaops: I'm getting `stack level too deep` here when I call .new on it and I'm not quite sure why. It goes away if I remove the line about @hierarchy from the initialize method. https://gist.github.com/pizzaops/582144773875e4078b25
[22:53:03] pizzaops: This usually happens when I've accidentally done something endlessly looping/recursive but I don't see how I've done that here.
[22:53:27] Ox0dea: pizzaops: Welp, that's what you're doin'. :P
[22:53:40] pizzaops: Ox0dea: I'm definitely certain of that, but I'm not sure how exactly :P
[22:53:57] Ox0dea: pizzaops: #initialize -> #hierarchy -> #config_parsed -> #initialize
[22:54:02] dsadajsd: ruby is cool?
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[22:54:59] pizzaops: Ox0dea: ohhhhh. I was trying to call an entirely diffefernt class named hiera haha
[22:55:09] pizzaops: I guess ill just rename this one, so at minimum it wont be confusing
[22:55:16] Ox0dea: pizzaops: Yep, you probably wanted ::Hiera.
[22:55:23] Ox0dea: But renaming seems like a good idea.
[22:55:28] pizzaops: Ox0dea: yeah, but i'll rename the class anyway
[22:56:14] pizzaops: Ox0dea: man rubymine is awesome. when i rename the file it autosearched all my other files for references to it
[22:56:30] dsadajsd: rRuby is better than php ?
[22:56:35] pizzaops: I'm still a vim-user at heart but a lot of the rubymine stuff has been a big help in developing this larger app
[22:56:49] pizzaops: dsadajsd: u trollin' bro?
[22:56:50] Ox0dea: pizzaops: Nifty!
[22:57:01] Ox0dea: pizzaops: Hanlon's razor applies, I reckon.
[22:57:48] pizzaops: Ox0dea: yeah, I consider doing something that will only work if I ::fully scope it to be a last resort
[22:57:51] pizzaops: i'd rather just avoid collisiions
[22:58:07] dsadajsd: I'm wondering about the ruby
[22:58:14] Ox0dea: pizzaops: Perfectly reasonable.
[22:58:30] baweaver: ACTION stares
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[22:59:16] dsadajsd: Ruby works in Real Time ?
[22:59:48] shevy: it works in present time, perhaps even in the future time as well
[22:59:50] baweaver: as opposed to fake time?
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[23:00:06] Ox0dea: https://github.com/wolfcw/libfaketime
[23:00:11] pizzaops: baweaver: "real time applicatoins" are a thing. it's a legitimate question :P
[23:00:19] pizzaops: but I have no idea what the answer is re: ruby
[23:00:33] eam: ruby is very much not real time
[23:00:53] baweaver: I'm well aware.
[23:00:56] pizzaops: Yeah if you're trying to do some sort of super high performance thing that requires real-time ruby is probably not the right tool
[23:01:05] pizzaops: (which is not to say I think ruby performs poorly)
[23:01:06] eam: well, real-time is also not high performance
[23:01:19] eam: those are two very different concepts - real time is generally low performance
[23:01:27] pizzaops: that's a good point
[23:01:30] pizzaops: it's more about certainty
[23:01:56] pizzaops: but since when is PHP real time...to return to dsadajsd's question
[23:02:10] Ox0dea: I think we should stop feeding it.
[23:02:27] eam: but I have all this food and it's just going to spoil
[23:03:04] baweaver: food sounds good right about now come to think of it.
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[23:04:00] dsadajsd: Ruby is good for what kind of applications?
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[23:04:39] baweaver: what have you tried to find that out?
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[23:05:37] slash_nick: dsadajsd: real time applications
[23:05:51] dsadajsd: I Wondering Learning ruby
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[23:06:14] dsadajsd: but I do not know what I can do :/
[23:06:17] pizzaops: Hey it works now! Ox0dea, very helpful as always, thank you.
[23:06:17] baweaver: dsadajsd: and what have you tried so far?
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[23:06:44] pizzaops: baweaver: based on earlier questions he might mean "what its capabilities are" not "how I can learn", but maybe dsadajsd you could clarify
[23:06:57] dsadajsd: I'm going to the Hello world!
[23:06:58] pizzaops: Are you asking for a resource to learn Ruby with?
[23:07:36] slash_nick: >> puts "Goodbye, cruel world"
[23:07:38] ruby[bot]: slash_nick: # => Goodbye, cruel world ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522501)
[23:07:50] shadowfirebird: So: GTK or QT? I want to do GUI -- I know that's not terribly popular in Ruby -- but I'm not sure which path to follow.
[23:07:56] pizzaops: If you know how to program already in general, CodeCademy is a good way to learn Ruby syntax. If you don't know how to program in general, I think it leaves out too much context, and I'd encourage you to consider paying the $25 for teamtreehouse
[23:08:00] pizzaops: shadowfirebird: Shoes, obviously!
[23:08:14] Ox0dea: slash_nick: Leaving so soon?
[23:08:16] pizzaops: http://shoesrb.com/ - although I'm mostly kidding
[23:08:32] baweaver: GTK tends to be the most common, though as you said not a very popular topic.
[23:08:34] shadowfirebird: Sure, I can do Shoes, but it's a little limiting for a serious app.
[23:08:49] pizzaops: I was 90% kidding, as I said.
[23:08:50] havenwood: shadowfirebird: Shoes4: https://github.com/shoes/shoes4#readme
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[23:09:00] pizzaops: I only use shoes if i need to like, throw up a quick gui client for some internal tool or something
[23:09:10] shadowfirebird: I found qtruby on github, but, it's not been touched for 5 years...
[23:09:18] slash_nick: hmm... there's something new out there for guis with ruby... *tries to remember*
[23:09:26] dsadajsd: gui is cool - but not
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[23:09:38] pizzaops: I would argue that Qt has the better cross-platform story (although GTK for Win/Mac is certainly a thing)
[23:09:39] Papierkorb: IMO Qt completely beats Gtk. Gtk may be okay if you're targeting Linux only.
[23:09:55] shadowfirebird: The thing about Shoes last time I looked -- not actually a Ruby library, like, a gem. More like a different language
[23:10:11] Papierkorb: shadowfirebird: The most current bindings is 'qt-bindings', which provides bindings to Qt4.8 - No Qt5 bindings anywhere :(
[23:10:32] Papierkorb: But if you're only using Qt for GUI stuff you should be fine with Qt4
[23:10:43] shadowfirebird: So, not very current, and I gather it's built on top of qtruby...
[23:11:20] Papierkorb: shadowfirebird: What do you need?
[23:11:28] dsadajsd: what you do legally with ruby?
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[23:11:43] Papierkorb: Qt looks and feels mostly native on every platform while Gtk does not for example
[23:11:51] slash_nick: i think this was it: https://github.com/zach-capalbo/flammarion
[23:12:15] shadowfirebird: Need? Hmm. Just trying to learn new stuff really. I want to code GUI for linux only, but I don't use Gnome.
[23:12:21] slash_nick: shadowfirebird: ^
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[23:12:50] slash_nick: ah might be limited for what you're wanting.. might not be.
[23:12:52] havenwood: ?offtopic dsadajsd
[23:12:52] ruby[bot]: dsadajsd: this seems to be off-topic. Please move your discussion to #ruby-offtopic, to keep this channel free for Ruby related problems. Thanks!
[23:13:13] Ox0dea: slash_nick: Reminds me of this: https://github.com/chriskiehl/Gooey
[23:13:25] Papierkorb: shadowfirebird: You should take a look at Qt and then decide if it fits your needs. I used it in a really small project lately and it worked fine.
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[23:14:04] shadowfirebird: So QT4 isn't going away soon? No problems with the underlying libs going away?
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[23:14:34] Papierkorb: My biggest gripe with GUI toolkits is if they don't look anywhere near what Qt (and to some extent Gtk) applications look. That's a no go for me.
[23:14:54] shadowfirebird: Papierkorb: yep.
[23:15:40] shadowfirebird: If I wanted L&F problems I'd go back to coding web apps
[23:15:54] Papierkorb: shadowfirebird: Depends. Qt has a company behind it, while the bindings do not. Many other small-ish toolkits are more or less personal projects of people. I don't want to make them look bad at all, but if you're looking at using it on the long-term, Qt will be around for a few years, other toolkits may not
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[23:16:38] shadowfirebird: I suppose there is always RX, which has been around for a while.
[23:16:45] Papierkorb: shadowfirebird: Of course, it's legit to question if Qt4 will be around "for years to come". It will be available I'd say for quite some time, at least until Qt6 comes around – Which will be in ~3-4 years.
[23:17:15] shadowfirebird: Papierkorb: that's certainly long enough for my purposes, thanks for a really coherent answer
[23:17:19] Papierkorb: shadowfirebird: In general, you can expect a major release of Qt every 6-7 years.
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[23:18:16] shadowfirebird: Papierkorb: That's ... rather nice actually. Rails' Major-version-every-six-months is rather exhausting, even from a distance (says the Sinatra fan)
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[23:23:48] pizzaops: I don't use Rails because I'm distrustful of :magic
[23:23:56] pizzaops: s/:magic/"magic"
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[23:24:06] pizzaops: It does so much for me that I barely understand how my application works.
[23:24:19] Ox0dea: pizzaops: But that's true of your computer?
[23:24:28] pizzaops: Ox0dea: haha sure, but I don't have to maintain my computer
[23:24:34] pizzaops: i do have to maintain a rails app i build
[23:24:46] pizzaops: Like I don't have to ship patches for OSX :P
[23:25:09] pizzaops: i guess i dont have to ship patches for rails either, but i do have to maintain an app that relies on it
[23:25:37] pizzaops: And when it comes to the "computer" I use to host an app, I actually do have a fairly deep relative knowledge of Linux internals, compared to say, OSX internals.
[23:25:46] pizzaops: Because i have an ops background
[23:25:56] pizzaops: (which is why I'm such a mediocre programmer :D )
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