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[00:37:28] shevy: pizzaops eh just practice practice practice!
[00:37:45] pizzaops: shevy: oh yeah I'm definitely learning and getting better
[00:37:47] pizzaops: POODR is helping a lot
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[00:47:34] quazimodo: is it possible to 'bundle for deployment' by copying the globally installed gems into a local directory, rather than freshly downloading & installing?
[00:48:04] quazimodo: using BUNDLE_PATH seems to cause bundler to install all fresh gems, which is ... ok i guess but all those gems exist in my global gem directory
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[01:28:52] semeion: how can i specify the directory where the script is located in require command? for exemple: require './mylib'
[01:30:23] semeion: can i use something like: require '<dynamicscriptdir>/mylib'
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[01:31:18] semeion: or it need be static?
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[01:33:54] quazimodo: semeion: there are a few ways
[01:34:06] quazimodo: I usually build an absolute path
[01:34:26] quazimodo: and usually I use some sort of reference like application's root path or the current files path
[01:34:27] semeion: yes, "absolute" is the correct word i was looking for
[01:34:42] quazimodo: but in fact
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[01:35:12] quazimodo: anything in the $LOAD_PATH variable can be the 'root' for your search
[01:35:42] semeion: i got it working making reference to absolute path
[01:35:46] quazimodo: so if $LOAD_PATH has /foo/bar in it, you can do require 'baz/butt' and it'll look for /foo/bar/baz/butt.rb
[01:36:23] semeion: nice, it is what i was looking for
[01:36:32] semeion: quazimodo: thank you very much!
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[01:37:22] semeion: but i think i can´t change it, probably will break others things
[01:38:13] semeion: could be nice if something like require '$LOAD_PATH/baz/butt' was possible
[01:38:35] semeion: well, i know it is the default
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[01:38:45] semeion: but changing to another var
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[01:39:17] semeion: like require '$MY_PATH/baz/butt'
[01:40:08] semeion: adding environment PATH var to it could be perfect :D
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[01:58:30] Ox0dea: semeion: $LOAD_PATH is just a regular ol' Ruby Array.
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[01:58:49] Ox0dea: You can #push your directory to the end to have it searched last, or #unshift it onto the front and have it searched first.
[01:59:14] semeion: nice know, so it solve my problem
[01:59:17] Ox0dea: Ruby loves you and wants you to be happy. :)
[01:59:38] Ox0dea: Happy to help.
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[04:30:24] quazimodo: semeion: you don'tneed to put $LOAD_PATH into require, it automatically does
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[08:11:18] CowMan_: when i hibernate in windows ..it goes into standby mode...how do i fix this?
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[08:15:28] yqfvwal: CowMan_: install gentoo
[08:15:50] CowMan_: what is that sir?
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[08:17:56] baweaver: CowMan_: This is #ruby, you may want to seek a Windows channel
[08:18:06] CowMan_: no im banned from there
[08:18:17] CowMan_: anyyone knows how to fix this here?
[08:18:32] baweaver: good way to get banned here too
[08:19:01] CowMan_: i got a better way to get banned here
[08:19:10] baweaver: !troll CowMan_
[08:19:10] ruby[bot]: +bb CowMan_!*@*$#ruby-banned *!*@112.133.229.16$#ruby-banned
[08:19:10] ruby[bot]: ruby[bot] kicked CowMan_: is a bannable offense, see http://ruby-community.com/pages/user_rules
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[08:25:54] arup_r: In Ruby how can I get the ancestor class list ?
[08:26:05] arup_r: I know how to do it, now I forgot it. :/
[08:28:07] eam: >> Array.ancestors
[08:28:08] ruby[bot]: eam: # => [Array, Enumerable, Object, Kernel, BasicObject] (https://eval.in/522537)
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[08:30:44] arup_r: eam: thanks
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[10:15:38] the_drow: Is there a way to specify a precondition to a group of tests?
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[10:15:59] the_drow: I'm not actually testing the code but ensuring no one changed the factory in a way that will break the tests
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[10:16:37] the_drow: I'm talking about rspec btw
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[10:20:11] adaedra: with before
[10:20:46] the_drow: adaedra, And I should use the expect syntax anyway right?
[10:21:30] adaedra: you use what you want
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[11:39:38] the_drow: Should I use #name or .name to describe an attribute accessor?
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[11:41:48] DEA7TH: Is there a shortcut for that: Proc.new{ |date| date.next_day }
[11:42:26] Ox0dea: DEA7TH: `&:next_day`, but you have to use it in block context.
[11:42:40] DEA7TH: I want to assign it to a variable and then call it with something
[11:42:44] DEA7TH: p.call(my_date)
[11:42:45] Ox0dea: If you actually want it as a Proc, `:next_day.to_proc` is shorter, but it looks weird.
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[11:43:25] Ox0dea: the_drow: Why not @name?
[11:43:54] Ox0dea: >> class C; attr_reader :foo; end; C.instance_methods false
[11:43:56] the_drow: http://betterspecs.org/#describe That's not an example in better specs
[11:43:56] ruby[bot]: Ox0dea: # => [:foo] (https://eval.in/522634)
[11:44:01] the_drow: Maybe I'm not following
[11:44:08] DEA7TH: awesome, I'll use :method_name.to_proc
[11:44:14] Ox0dea: Well, attributes are instance methods, so #name if you're really keen.
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[11:44:25] Ox0dea: DEA7TH: If you're sure that's what you want. :)
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[13:27:45] maho: Hello, here's my question. It's somewhat worded strangely, but the examples make it clear. http://paste.ofcode.org/xknHNTgmMDnvKZ6TJu4NWp Solution: http://paste.ofcode.org/VJbgKZyrtjtdFipm8kXj3B However, the output of the last test case is wrong. Can anyone help?
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[13:38:49] Mon_Ouie: This is #ruby, you should ask in another channel if you're not using Ruby
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[13:41:02] maho: Mon_Ouie: Ruby will do for me
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[14:35:24] FXpro: what is this channel about?
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[14:37:23] shevy: FXpro lol
[14:37:52] FXpro: whatsa happenin shevy?
[14:38:20] shevy: FXpro come on man
[14:38:28] FXpro: whats the problem?
[14:38:41] FXpro: I am looking at the topic link. this is a programming channel then?
[14:39:06] shevy: FXpro https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/
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[14:39:58] FXpro: ahhh ok ic.
[14:40:26] FXpro: I was looking at the search list and I liked the name ruby so I joined just for the hell of it.
[14:40:45] FXpro: I am not a programmer but I need to be a programmer for a specific project I am working on.
[14:41:43] adaedra: One does not simply becomes a programmer.
[14:41:59] shevy: One is born as such.
[14:42:02] FXpro: I need to learn c++ and bridge it to another very close language.
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[14:42:28] adaedra: shevy: well no.
[14:42:48] shevy: FXpro have you joined #c++ yet?
[14:42:54] FXpro: I have not.
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[16:00:54] flughafen_: i have a want a dict like this with another dict of arrays...? foobar = { name= "", { arr1=[],arr2[]} , but i want to be able to access the arrays based on foobar["name"] tied to arr1,arr2
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[16:02:23] Papierkorb: flughafen_: I don't really understand your question, could you try rephrasing it?
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[16:02:38] apeiros: was going to say the same :-|
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[16:06:02] flughafen_: i want a dict of arrays that is tied to a string not a symbol?
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[16:06:24] apeiros: you can use a string as key in a hash just fine
[16:06:41] apeiros: >> hash = {"key" => "value"}; hash["key"]
[16:06:43] ruby[bot]: apeiros: # => "value" (https://eval.in/522731)
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[16:09:06] adaedra: You can use anything that implements #hash as a key iirc.
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[16:09:33] apeiros: #hash + #eql?
[16:09:39] apeiros: they must be implemented in tandem
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[16:11:20] adaedra: Ah, here we are.
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[16:18:52] flughafen_: let me think of another way to put it...
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[16:24:14] Ox0dea: >> class C undef eql? end; {C.new => 1, C.new => 2}.size
[16:24:15] ruby[bot]: Ox0dea: # => 2 (https://eval.in/522759)
[16:24:56] Papierkorb: Ox0dea: Probably only used if the hashes collide
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[16:26:03] Papierkorb: Yep, it works like that
[16:26:13] Ox0dea: That it does.
[16:26:25] Papierkorb: >> class A; undef eql?; def hash; 1; end; end; { A.new => 1, A.new => 2 }.size
[16:26:26] ruby[bot]: Papierkorb: # => undefined method `eql?' for #<A:0x41bc58f4> ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522767)
[16:26:37] Ox0dea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_hash_function
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[16:31:58] flughafen_: ok, i think i found my solution. i think the issue is was i was trying to define a definition to what I wanted first? instead of just doing it in the loop itself.
[16:32:23] Ox0dea: Don't write explicit loops.
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[16:43:01] flughafen_: i'm iterating over json , and I want to store data in multiple arrays tied to a single "key", like dict["key1"] is { arr1: [], arr2: []}
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[16:43:07] _3by8: Issuing ruby -v in a plain terminal returns a message telling me to install Ruby but if I run the same command in the terminal window of my IDE, it tells me what I want to hear. Why would that be?
[16:43:55] llua: a difference in PATH.
[16:44:12] Ox0dea: _3by8: Yeah, your Ruby binary isn't in your $PATH, but your IDE is doing some wizardry to find it anyway.
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[16:44:35] _3by8: Ox0dea: thanks, so I just need to set an environment variable or maybe run RVM again?
[16:44:43] Ox0dea: _3by8: Something like that. :/
[16:45:06] claw: hello channel
[16:45:09] claw: how do i escape a uri password right as URI.escape does not work ?
[16:45:17] claw: URI::InvalidComponentError: bad component(expected user component): ?
[16:45:24] claw: the password contains a ?
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[16:46:06] Ox0dea: flughafen_: Valid JSON can't contain distinct values for the same key.
[16:46:47] Ox0dea: Are you working with arrays of hashes?
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[16:49:56] Ox0dea: flughafen_: Maybe this helps: https://eval.in/522816
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[16:52:37] flughafen_: Ox0dea: let me try to rephrase it... i'm iterating through everything in the json file, and storing data based on other data. it may or may not be unique. I wanted to do something like dict["grouping1"][:arr1].push(something_related)
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[16:52:52] Ox0dea: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[16:53:10] flughafen_: i'll check that out
[16:56:01] Hanmac: if you are a parser, everything looks like a json file ;P
[16:56:32] Ox0dea: Anything is an AST if you're brave enough.
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[17:07:12] flughafen_: apeiros: did what i show make more sense? brb walking doggies
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[17:20:29] shevy: walk the dog, dog the walk
[17:21:23] junw: flughafen_, do you mean ((dict["grouping1"] ||= {})[:arr1] ||= []) << something_related ?
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[17:31:11] flughafen_: junw: t5hat's not what i'm doing now, but since what i want os weird or something, i could do that.
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[17:31:39] flughafen_: in the loop if it's not there, add a a dict with 3 arrays
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[18:26:28] Scriptonaut: Hey all, I'm trying to render haml files with my rack server. For some reason, when I call "call" on my app, the body it returns is a string, not an array. I can't figure out why. Here is the gist of my app (very basic): https://gist.github.com/robins35/29868ebe7407542694b6
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[18:30:33] jrcharney: For ruby-install, should I use sudo if I use --system?
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[18:30:50] diegoviola: jrcharney: I think you need sudo, yeah
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[18:31:22] diegoviola: jrcharney: I tried --system as user once and it just failed to install (I assumed it would call sudo after that but it didn't)
[18:31:27] diegoviola: so the installation failed for me
[18:31:30] diegoviola: not sure if it's different now
[18:32:29] jrcharney: I guess I'll have to run this again when it is done...hopefully it will just move all the suff it "configure && make"'d and move it to /usr/local
[18:32:55] jrcharney: The problem with chruby and ruby-install is that they will keep going even if you ^C
[18:33:06] Papierkorb: jrcharney: Cancel the compilation and rerun with sudo now, ruby-install doesn't "figure it out" by itself ;)
[18:33:28] Papierkorb: Werid. Just kill the process then.
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[18:33:37] jrcharney: What happens to all that other stuff, Papierkorb?
[18:33:45] Papierkorb: jrcharney: Are you sure you need --system ?
[18:33:55] Papierkorb: jrcharney: No idea, probably left there or something
[18:34:49] jrcharney: Yeah...I'm using a debian based distro. They won't update it! apt-get will install ruby 1.9.3
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[18:35:19] adaedra: That doesn't mean you need to install your ruby system-wide.
[18:35:27] jrcharney: Also, If I try to install jruby, it will try to install openjdk
[18:35:40] jrcharney: And if I want to install weechat plugins, it will also try to install the older ruby
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[18:43:17] jrcharney: I'm probably going to check if my java version is up to date later to figure out why jruby tries to install openjdk even though my /etc/alternatives have java set correctly
[18:46:01] jrcharney: would it seem reasonable to delete my ~/.gems directory after switching from rbenv to chruby as my ruby manager?
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[19:01:44] dn5: haven't seen this much idling on ruby for long time
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[19:04:57] shevy: dn5 it's weekend!
[19:04:59] shevy: they are so sleepy...
[19:05:47] dn5: shevy: riiiight .. what about us?
[19:06:50] dn5: anyway, how do you guys comment funtions in ruby?
[19:07:19] dn5: I mean, how do you document ruby code?
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[19:08:00] shevy: I usually try to explain why I did something
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[19:08:38] shevy: documenting stuff really takes a lot of time :(
[19:08:47] shevy: if you include things like --help and explaining what suboptions do
[19:08:49] dn5: shevy: it does, and it's soooo boring
[19:09:32] adaedra: dn5: I put '#' in the beginning of the line.
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[19:10:35] dn5: adaedra: you document your ruby code with #? how many # do you write and what does each # mean?
[19:10:51] adaedra: Only one, as it is enough to declare a comment.
[19:10:58] shevy: for my bigger projects I try to write a tutorial, that will become a .pdf via wkhtmltopdf
[19:11:38] dn5: shevy: And how do you comment your function (like params, return value, etc.)?
[19:11:50] shevy: dn5 I don't! it distracts me when I code :)
[19:12:10] shevy: I mean I explain things
[19:12:14] shevy: but I don't use the tag-notations
[19:12:18] dn5: shevy: but.. how do you know what you've did there when you check your code 1 year later
[19:12:29] shevy: dn5 cuz I explain stuff!
[19:12:45] shevy: and the style I have is very stupid and simple. whenever I have to think, something must be wrong with the code
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[19:13:22] dn5: shevy: and what about open source code?
[19:13:47] shevy: makes no difference. actually, I will document more if it will be open sourced
[19:14:37] shevy: I think though that one of the best way to document is to use a FAQ style or like zenspider's quickref
[19:14:52] shevy: http://www.zenspider.com/Languages/Ruby/QuickRef.html
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[19:19:20] Scriptonaut: anyone here have experience with using the babel-transpiler gem? I cam able to run Babel::Transpiler.transform File.read("main.es6"). However, what do I do with that file now? How do I include it?
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[20:19:39] dn5: Any native way of getting time difference between two hh:mm? Like hh:mm & hh_current:mm_current => 1 (hour)
[20:20:00] dn5: There is TimeDifference gem afaik
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[20:20:53] gaxar77: I am looking for some free information on how ruby's object model works under the hood in C.
[20:20:58] manveru: dn5: using -?
[20:21:07] adaedra: dn5: convert them to Time and use -
[20:21:07] gaxar77: But I cannot really find anything useful.
[20:21:25] dn5: manveru: adaedra: that actually works
[20:21:32] adaedra: Of course.
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[20:21:58] manveru: gaxar77: i don't think there's anything up to date...
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[20:24:41] gaxar77: Any information on any type of dynamic object model?
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[20:25:49] shevy: there were some old C-ruby articles
[20:25:54] shevy: like 50 years ago or something
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[20:28:35] shevy: gaxar77 http://rhg.rubyforge.org/chapter02.html http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2004/11/18/extending_ruby.html http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/post/ruby_values_and_object_ids.html http://phrogz.net/ProgrammingRuby/ext_ruby.html http://www.rubyist.net/~nobu/ruby/Ruby_Extension_Manual.html http://izumi.plan99.net/blog/index.php/2007/10/12/how-the-ruby-heap-is-implemented/ https://banisterfiend.wordpress.com/
[20:28:36] shevy: 2008/10/25/the-secret-life-of-singletons/ http://www.rubyfleebie.com/ruby-and-c-part-1/
[20:29:20] shevy: I did not even know that nobu had a kind of homepage
[20:29:35] shevy: Ruby_Extension_Manual.html last update more than 10 years ago or so :P
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[20:37:36] Scriptonaut: anyone know a ruby gem to include jquery?
[20:37:41] Scriptonaut: (not for rails)
[20:37:45] Scriptonaut: I'm using vanilla Rack
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[20:50:45] dn5: could someone check why does @calc returns an error https://gist.github.com/dn5/4093f0543c46066582fc
[20:51:26] dn5: comprasion of string with 0 failed, yet I declared both current_full_d and @last_update_d as DateTime
[20:53:02] Mon_Ouie: DateTime#strftime returns a string
[20:53:26] Radar: dn5: It'd help to know on what line that error is happening.
[20:54:05] dn5: Radar: it's written, at line 26 / @calc = x - y
[20:54:19] Radar: dn5: y u no show stacktrace
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[20:55:28] dn5: Mon_Ouie: which one should I use?
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[20:56:49] Mon_Ouie: I don't know why you're creating strings from your DateTime objects
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[20:57:09] apeiros: dn5: you're aware that yaml can store datetimes directly?
[20:57:26] apeiros: i.e. you wouldn't have to do this weird dance you do to get two DateTime instances, you can get them straight from yaml
[20:57:53] Scriptonaut: Would anyone mind helping me resolve this gem conflict I'm having? https://gist.github.com/robins35/d59e481fc263cd89089b
[20:57:58] Scriptonaut: I tried a bundle update, no dice
[20:58:03] apeiros: >> require 'date'; require 'yaml'; {'config_time' => DateTime.now}.to_yaml
[20:58:04] ruby[bot]: apeiros: # => "---\nconfig_time: !ruby/object:DateTime 2016-02-21 20:58:04.036296267 Z\n" (https://eval.in/522885)
[20:58:36] apeiros: with Time you won't even get that !ruby/object:DateTime part:
[20:58:39] Radar: Scriptonaut: What command did you run to get that?
[20:58:44] Radar: Scriptonaut: And show us your Gemfile please.
[20:58:44] apeiros: >> require 'yaml'; {'config_time' => Time.now}.to_yaml
[20:58:45] ruby[bot]: apeiros: # => "---\nconfig_time: 2016-02-21 20:58:44.643069207 +00:00\n" (https://eval.in/522886)
[20:59:03] dn5: apeiros: Ah, I see.
[20:59:23] Scriptonaut: Radar: https://gist.github.com/robins35/5492b525a76f72256497
[20:59:25] dn5: Let me try it
[20:59:26] Scriptonaut: there's my Gemfile
[20:59:35] Radar: Scriptonaut: And what happened when you ran `bundle update`
[21:00:01] Scriptonaut: Radar: https://gist.github.com/robins35/6e0133b155b8751b1ada
[21:00:02] Scriptonaut: that happened
[21:00:15] Radar: Scriptonaut: https://rubygems.org/gems/sprockets-browserify depends on sprockets 2.1, and sprockets-es6 depends on Sprockets 3.0. You won't be able to use those two gems together.
[21:00:25] Radar: Scriptonaut: Fork sprockets-browserify and bump the sprockets dependency.
[21:00:58] Scriptonaut: hmm, any other way I might get browserify?
[21:01:05] Radar: [08:00:32] <Radar> Scriptonaut: Fork sprockets-browserify and bump the sprockets dependency.
[21:01:11] Radar: Only half my messages are getting through again :(
[21:01:18] Scriptonaut: I mean another gem
[21:01:23] Radar: ACTION shrugs
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[21:03:07] dn5: >> require 'yaml'; require 'date'; {'config_date'=>'2016-02-21'}.to_yaml;
[21:03:08] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => "---\nconfig_date: '2016-02-21'\n" (https://eval.in/522887)
[21:03:28] dn5: >> require 'yaml'; require 'date'; a = {'config_date'=>'2016-02-21'}.to_yaml; a.inspect
[21:03:29] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => "\"---\\nconfig_date: '2016-02-21'\\n\"" (https://eval.in/522888)
[21:03:58] dn5: strange.. why does the loading returns 21 Feb 2016 instead of 2016-02-21
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[21:05:22] apeiros: you are misreading what you see
[21:05:38] apeiros: 21 Feb 2016 is 2016-02-21
[21:05:47] apeiros: you have an actual date object, not a string.
[21:05:58] Radar: ACTION missed where "21 Feb 2016" was.
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[21:07:15] apeiros: though, I get displayed #<Date: 2016-02-21 ((2457440j,0s,0n),+0s,2299161j)>, I wonder too where you see 21 Feb 2016
[21:07:41] Radar: "I saw it on my Calendar widget in my menu bar"
[21:08:03] dn5: apeiros: I see, make sense. So, the actual date object as 21 Feb 2016 is DateTime, or Date?
[21:08:18] apeiros: dn5: .class will tell you
[21:08:30] dn5: In the app I'm doing, couldn't replicate it over the bot
[21:08:37] dn5: apeiros: right.
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[21:10:05] Radar: Do you require activesupport at all?
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[21:10:48] Radar: >> require 'activesupport/all'
[21:10:49] ruby[bot]: Radar: # => cannot load such file -- activesupport/all (LoadError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522889)
[21:11:49] dn5: apeiros: It's a Date class, but I need a DateTime to calculate, I'm not checking only for a date difference, but for time too. How would I concat the "date" and "time" gathered from YAML?
[21:11:56] dn5: Thats what I was doing at the start
[21:12:06] apeiros: why do you store them separately?
[21:12:26] dn5: apeiros: Because I need them later for different purpose seperately
[21:13:13] dn5: I know I can store one global for both date and time, and then seperatly one for a date and another for a time, but why would I do that?
[21:13:36] apeiros: you make it more difficult for you for no reason. store them as one. use the object to get the part you need.
[21:13:45] apeiros: you know, objects have methods. mighty useful those things.
[21:16:06] apeiros: also note that ruby does not have any class to handle a time without a date (Time despite its name consists of date & time)
[21:16:09] dn5: apeiros: Right, I know. But when I use either just date, or both date and a time in yaml, I get either Date as a class, or Time as a class. Why not a DateTime?
[21:16:33] apeiros: because ^, Time and DateTime both are Date+Time
[21:17:03] apeiros: they have different origins (Time used to only be capable of handling 32bit Time range which is rather limited, but it was a ton faster than DateTime)
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[21:18:44] dn5: apeiros: so class Time shouldn't be converted to DateTime and it's already available for substraction?
[21:19:34] apeiros: yes. be ware that Time#- returns the difference in seconds, unlike DateTime#- which returns the difference in days.
[21:20:15] dn5: apeiros: well converting it shouldn't be hard, thanks, let me try it
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[21:29:38] dn5: apeiros: whats up with this +0100, is that some sort of UTC?
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[21:30:46] apeiros: that's the timezone offset
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[21:31:07] apeiros: and no, +0100 means it's not utc. utc has an offset of 0
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[21:39:01] dn5: apeiros: awesome, works as expected
[21:39:12] dn5: except for an offset
[21:39:16] dn5: but I'll figure it out
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[21:51:10] shevy: dn5 see - it's not so sleepy after all once you ask questions!
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[21:54:22] dn5: shevy: well, someone gotta start it :p
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[22:07:37] shevy: response.rb:356: [BUG] Segmentation fault at 0xef2906e8 ruby 2.3.0p0 (2015-12-25 revision 53290)
[22:08:41] shevy: haven't had that yet... somehow related to doing remote http queries
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[22:10:16] bnagy: maybe you just got owned by glibc
[22:10:45] shevy: yeah that maybe... I got an old glibc here, 2.15
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[22:37:12] hedgie: Hello all, is anyone messing with Cinch?
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[22:39:47] Radar: hedgie: apeiros was I think
[22:40:10] hedgie: ACTION nods
[22:40:18] droptone: ACTION shrugs
[22:40:29] hedgie: I'm trying to figure out how to use a string to trigger a plugin to start
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[22:41:17] hedgie: the biggest issue is that the plugin's method seems to be burried in the plugin system so I'm not sure how to really trigger the method
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[22:41:36] hedgie: I rather use a string over a !command
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[22:53:48] dn5: >> this[0] = "test"
[22:53:50] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => undefined local variable or method `this' for main:Object (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522899)
[22:54:01] dn5: could someone tell me why? yet ..
[22:54:06] dn5: >> this = "test"
[22:54:07] ruby[bot]: dn5: # => "test" (https://eval.in/522900)
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[22:54:30] wolffles: because your not comparing
[22:54:45] wolffles: your assigning a variable with the second one
[22:55:11] wolffles: or if your trying to add “test” to this than you cant use =
[22:55:29] dn5: wolffles: I understand that, but why I can't add test to the [0] of this
[22:55:40] dn5: wolffles: I should << right?
[22:55:49] dn5: wolffles: why?
[22:56:41] dn5: Whats the reason assign to the array is different to the var? Especailly because I precised the row.
[22:58:42] wolffles: because this[0]
[22:58:57] wolffles: isnt defined
[22:59:35] wolffles: after you define it as an array you can set it to “test”
[22:59:57] dn5: shouldn't this[0] be defined once it's getting a value
[23:00:18] wolffles: or this= Array.new
[23:02:19] wolffles: i assume its cuz it cant tell if its an array or something else
[23:02:55] dn5: wolffles: makes sense
[23:02:56] wolffles: like it could be this == “this” but not this == [“this”]
[23:03:17] dn5: right ...
[23:03:43] wolffles: it has to do with classes i think ….. haha idk tho im self taught
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[23:03:48] dn5: Ox0dea might now, if he's not at a deep sleep
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[23:05:44] bnagy: using [] on an array is actually a method call, but if your variable is not yet defined then it's not an Array (or indeed anything)
[23:06:01] bnagy: ruby lets you shortcut create and assign via inference with like a = "foo"
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[23:06:33] bnagy: only once the variable is attached to an object can you then call methods on the object
[23:08:03] kaleido: >> this = ["test"]
[23:08:04] ruby[bot]: kaleido: # => ["test"] (https://eval.in/522902)
[23:08:14] kaleido: now you can call this[0]
[23:08:24] kaleido: suppose i could ask irb
[23:09:00] kaleido: 2.2.4 :003 > this[0] => "test"
[23:10:23] wolffles: how do you run code like that through chat? >>
[23:10:32] wolffles: >> testing = “test”
[23:10:33] ruby[bot]: wolffles: # => undefined local variable or method `“test”' for main:Object ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522904)
[23:11:05] bnagy: smart quotes :P
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[23:11:50] bnagy: your client sends smart quotes, which confuses the interpreter
[23:11:58] bnagy: >> a = "b"
[23:11:59] ruby[bot]: bnagy: # => "b" (https://eval.in/522905)
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[23:13:02] wolffles: >> a = “b”
[23:13:04] ruby[bot]: wolffles: # => undefined local variable or method `“b”' for main:Object (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522906)
[23:13:31] wolffles: >> a = ‘b’
[23:13:32] ruby[bot]: wolffles: # => undefined local variable or method `‘b’' for main:Object (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522907)
[23:13:42] bnagy: still smart quotes
[23:14:03] wolffles: i dont understand what smart quotes mean. do i not add quotes then?
[23:14:13] bnagy: if you can't see the difference between my line and yours then you have two problems
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[23:14:35] bnagy: mine uses dumb quotes "" yours use smart quotes “”
[23:14:57] wolffles: >>a = ‘’b’’
[23:14:58] ruby[bot]: wolffles: # => undefined local variable or method `‘’b’’' for main:Object (NameError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/522908)
[23:15:22] wolffles: this is harder than ruby!
[23:15:47] bnagy: it's probably a client setting, if not then a terminal setting
[23:15:47] wolffles: i see the difference
[23:16:05] wolffles: i just dont know how to change it
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[23:16:38] bnagy: google "stop <name of your irc client> sending smart quotes" maybe
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[23:18:48] wolffles: maybe later im trying to upgrade to 2.3 on my mac but uhh the guides i look up all tell me something different
[23:18:59] wolffles: any advice?
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[23:19:52] bnagy: I have no idea what client you're using, and fixing IRC clients isn't really on topic
[23:20:24] wolffles: ruby 2.3.0?
[23:20:45] bnagy: nothing to do with ruby
[23:21:12] wolffles: really now. k the world doesnt make sense anymore
[23:21:12] bnagy: we're talking about why the bot here isn't eval'ing your >> commands correctly
[23:21:33] bnagy: and that is because your IRC client is sending the wrong quotes
[23:21:33] wolffles: ive have since changed the subject :P
[23:21:57] wolffles: i said id fix that later. im trying to upgrade to 2.3.0 any advice?
[23:22:15] bnagy: I use chruby on osx
[23:23:10] bnagy: imho don't use macports / brew, just install either by hand or with ruby-install
[23:23:29] bnagy: (ruby-install after installing chruby according to the instructions)
[23:24:27] bnagy: don't use sudo
[23:25:25] wolffles: how about RVM?
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[23:25:46] bnagy: personally I hate it
[23:26:07] bnagy: some people like it, ymmv
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[23:27:36] Nilium: I'm the rbenv adherent.
[23:27:54] Nilium: Which is entirely because I'm lazy and have never replaced it.
[23:27:56] bnagy: I used rbenv for years with no problems
[23:28:13] Nilium: And I continue to use it 'cause my I-got-a-new-computer process is to rsync my home directory to the new machine.
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[23:28:20] Nilium: Because I'm just that wrong.
[23:28:43] Nilium: I'm actually surprised that hasn't stopped working..
[23:29:07] bnagy: I just borg each new macbook via firewire from the old one, which is probably even more wrong :P
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[23:37:00] Nilium: I don't even know what that means
[23:37:18] Nilium: You make it part of Google's cluster? O_o
[23:37:58] Nilium: Man, I need to try implementing raft as an exercise.
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[23:38:09] Nilium: I feel like that's something I should know.
[23:39:14] Nilium: And then implement the finger protocol.
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[23:40:55] wolffles: oh rvm was easy :D
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[23:43:29] Radar: RVM? *makes Sign of the Cross with fingers*
[23:43:39] Nilium: Once touched you cannot be untouched
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