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[00:13:33] shevy: I got a good first april suggestion
[00:13:34] postmodern: if you're parsing time/dates in a library, should one use Time.parse or DateTime.parse?
[00:13:47] shevy: the addition of "intend Foo"... which combines include and extend!
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[00:16:42] smathy: postmodern, depends whether you want a Time or DateTime object, ready the start of http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.3.0/libdoc/date/rdoc/DateTime.html
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[01:03:02] shevy: freenode via phone on first april!
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[01:35:44] gizmore: shevy: https://github.com/gizmore/filewalker/blob/master/lib/filewalker.rb
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[01:41:16] shevy: I am glad for this comment
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[01:51:41] gizmore: shevy: what do you think? ... useful?
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[02:22:30] josephan_: So all my classes live in separate files in the same directory, and are all under the module namespace. How should I make it so that the constants in the module are accessible by the classes in seperate files and their tests?
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[02:30:15] shevy: gizmore lol I am way too scared to check it out... I tried ponycorns before yesterday ... and I think it requires unicode so I only saw some colours and weird chars... ok the name is ponysay http://erkin.co/ponysay/
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[02:37:43] smathy: josephan_, put the constants into one file, can just be a module file, doesn't have to have a class, and require that file anywhere the constants are needed.
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[02:47:24] josephan_: smathy, oh perfect! Thank you! Sorry I was tabbed out I just saw your message. Have a great day.
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[03:06:14] Ox0dea: Is this Nobu? http://lgtm.in/i/I4vN7PdRp
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[03:57:12] sudomarize: can someone explain what macros are?
[03:58:17] brentw: I'm having trouble w/ this program, It looks like the @touched_pos hash is storing a list of Fixnums instead of instances of nodes representing a nodes children. can't seem to figure out how the hash is getting pushed a fixnum. https://gist.github.com/brentgsw/c1dffb36f91ae781c6749a536b9178a7
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[04:03:19] havenwood: sudomarize: Ruby has no macros. It's a compile-time thing. I'd suggest taking a look at Elixir and Crystal macros.
[04:03:35] havenwood: sudomarize: http://crystal-lang.org/docs/syntax_and_semantics/macros.html
[04:03:40] havenwood: sudomarize: http://elixir-lang.org/getting-started/meta/macros.html
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[04:03:48] sudomarize: havenwood: ah ok. I guess i'm wondering what macros are in general
[04:03:56] ruby[bot]: Radar: I don't see no macro, whom should I tell about g?
[04:04:03] Radar: welp I tried
[04:04:17] sudomarize: i always hear about macros, but never know what people are referring to
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[04:04:43] sudomarize: it's programmaticaly generating code, isn't it?
[04:04:50] havenwood: sudomarize: Maybe try the Crystal link above first and see if you grok it?
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[04:05:55] havenwood: Or maybe the Elixir docs are better in this case?
[04:05:57] havenwood: I'm not sure.
[04:06:17] Radar: [15:04:44] <sudomarize> it's programmaticaly generating code, isn't it?
[04:06:18] Radar: Close enough
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[04:07:05] havenwood: sudomarize: Like a general way to change the code's abstract syntax tree, whatever the syntax, at compile-time.
[04:08:40] havenwood: sudomarize: Matz always has a witty retort at RubyConf when asked if he'll ever add Macros.
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[04:10:01] havenwood: Q: Will Ruby 3 have macros?
[04:10:08] Radar: And generics too probably
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[04:10:17] Radar: and it will compile down to machine code
[04:10:21] Radar: and it will be 5x faster than php
[04:10:31] havenwood: A: Short answer "No," long answer "No Way."
[04:10:39] baweaver: has to be a multiple of 3
[04:10:54] havenwood: That was 2014 ^
[04:12:48] havenwood: I think it gets asked every year, at least in jest.
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[04:13:10] havenwood: A tradition.
[04:13:44] baweaver: Well, he already mentioned it this year
[04:14:03] baweaver: in his Ruby 3 features discussion: https://goo.gl/SsAhv
[04:14:34] havenwood: baweaver: aaaah, snap
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[04:27:29] shevy: he is doing it the sneaky and clever way
[04:27:38] shevy: he waits until crystal has it all smoothened out
[04:27:44] shevy: then he grabs it and assimilates it into ruby!
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[05:16:31] shevy: hey gandalf!
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[05:18:43] rindolf: shevy: THIS. MEANS. WAR!!!!
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[05:21:37] baweaver: If you're going to do the lines, do them right
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[05:29:21] shevy: this ... is ... sparta?
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[05:30:07] baweaver: !kick shevy
[05:30:08] ruby[bot]: +bb shevy!*@*$#ruby-banned *!*@2a02:8388:1600:3280:be5f:f4ff:fecd:7cb2$#ruby-banned
[05:30:09] ruby[bot]: ruby[bot] kicked shevy: offense, see http://ruby-community.com/pages/user_rules
[05:31:22] ruby[bot]: -bb shevy!*@*$#ruby-banned *!*@2a02:8388:1600:3280:be5f:f4ff:fecd:7cb2$#ruby-banned
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[05:34:13] shevy: the bot speaks to me
[05:34:31] shevy: ah if I would have known that before, we could have set up the bot with an april message
[05:34:34] baweaver: You'll find plenty of that in the pit
[05:34:44] shevy: "ruby[bot]> Your behavior was considered" haha
[05:34:44] baweaver: there must be a kick when someone says such lines
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[06:26:54] roelof: How can I check if a character is in a range . I tried : (!word[1].start_with? ('a','e','i','o','u')) but then I see runtime errors on the first "," ?
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[06:28:04] smathy: roelof, no spaces between method name and open paren in ruby.
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[07:15:11] arup_r: We have File::basename. so File.basename("/home/gumby/work/ruby.rb") #=> "ruby.rb", but when I have File.new("/home/gumby/work/ruby.rb").what_method will give me the name of the file?
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[07:19:13] arup_r: for now I did like, file = File.new("/home/gumby/work/ruby.rb"); File.basename(file.path) .. and it worked. Let me know if better way to get it..
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[07:31:47] smathy: arup_r, `f = Pathname.new "/home/gumby/work/ruby.rb"` and then you can `f.basename` and `File.new f`
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[07:32:38] arup_r: smathy: thanks. I forgot about the lib. :D
[07:34:31] smathy: Can even just `f.open` I think.
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[07:41:49] chrislansing: hi my code isn't working http://sh.st/Y8j6Y
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[08:05:22] mr_oh: stuck as heck
[08:06:30] chrislansing: mr_oh: have you checked out this: http://sh.st/Y8j6Y
[08:06:37] chrislansing: it's a handy resource to help you get unstuck
[08:06:39] chrislansing: i use it all the time
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[08:09:01] chrislansing: check it out :)
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[08:09:27] mr_oh: check out addware?
[08:09:40] chrislansing: it's a short link but the content is great
[08:09:48] chrislansing: it helps support site authors
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[08:12:22] forcer: chrislansing is spamming an ad link to meatspin.com
[08:12:33] chrislansing: oh sorry i meant to paste this link http://sh.st/Y8b6V they look so similar
[08:12:58] My_Hearing: !troll chrislansing
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[08:13:48] mr_oh: forcer: Yep, I'm not quite that dumb. (pretty dumb, but I knew what was up...)
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[08:15:04] mr_oh: What a dick.
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[08:15:06] Ox0dea: Mon_Ouie: Is there a story to your nick?
[08:16:27] Mon_Ouie: I wanted to pick something unusual, so I picked something with a space and a non-ascii character (ï). Then I just adapted it for IRC.
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[08:19:29] forcer: mr_oh: I was just letting the ops know why I called :-)
[08:20:54] mr_oh: forcer: I'm thankful. I was calling chrislansing a dick.
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[09:17:25] ruurd: OK help me please how on earth can I get rid of the libv8 dependency. Every time I want to use it it breaks building the native extensions. What is that? A gaping quality problem?
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[09:18:59] workmad3: ruurd: stop using therubyracer or the ruby less gem?
[09:19:33] ruurd: can I replace rubyracer somehow?
[09:19:55] workmad3: ruurd: depends on what you're using it for
[09:20:33] ruurd: to be able to use less
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[09:20:46] workmad3: ruurd: in which case, not if you want to keep using ruby
[09:20:48] ruurd: can one instruct the less gem to use rubyrhino?
[09:21:16] workmad3: therubyrhino is for jruby
[09:21:33] ruurd: Ah. Clear.
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[09:22:21] workmad3: and less needs either therubyracer on MRI or therubyrhino on jruby... it can't use node.js or other external JS runtimes last time I checked
[09:23:02] ruurd: that's a pity because for as long as I have been doing rails it's a PITA
[09:23:15] workmad3: yeah... I avoid using less for that reason :)
[09:23:29] ruurd: sass not using it then?
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[09:29:54] ruurd: workmad3 I'm using OSX and when I have a look at brew it says v8 is version 4.9.something
[09:30:23] ruurd: While libv8 is 3.16.something
[09:31:24] ruurd: Shouldn't they be roughly the same to work together?
[09:32:05] workmad3: ruurd: latest seems to be 4.5.95.5 in rubygems: https://rubygems.org/gems/libv8
[09:32:34] ruurd: why then pull in such an old version?
[09:32:53] workmad3: ruurd: no idea... could be a locked dependency in your Gemfile.lock?
[09:33:05] ruurd: Killed the lockfile.
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[09:33:19] workmad3: or it could be therubyracer is locked to an ancient version because it hasn't been updated in ages
[09:33:22] ruurd: (if it does not work force it if it breaks it needed replacement anyway)
[09:33:24] workmad3: https://rubygems.org/gems/therubyracer
[09:34:22] workmad3: ruurd: personally, I prefer to never delete Gemfile.lock... if I'm curious about something not updating, I find opening it and searching for that gem to be more useful (as the lockfile will list version restrictions underneath the gem they're a dependency of :) )
[09:36:25] ruurd: drats this is one of the few experiments that is not in git.
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[11:13:10] steve: hey, i did "gem install bundler" and it seems to be working, but when i do "gem list" i don't see bundler's dependencies (e.g. mustache) installed
[11:13:20] steve: any idea what i'm missing?
[11:13:56] steve: oh, maybe they're development dependencies
[11:14:29] steve: mustache (= 0.99.6, development)
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[12:14:22] tom39291: I want to learn Ruby. I know multiple other languages (Python, JS, Scala). Can anyone recommend a suitable resource for learning Ruby that doesn't spend pages explaining if/while/OOP/etc.
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[12:21:22] steve: tom39291: hold
[12:21:50] steve: tom39291: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Eloquent-Ruby-Addison-Wesley-Professional-Series-ebook/dp/B004MMEJ36 is good
[12:22:09] steve: tom39291: focus is on how to do things in a ruby way
[12:22:35] steve: tom39291: also https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/ruby/ for a quick syntax lesson
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[13:19:46] tom39291: steve: Thanks. I'll look at those.
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[13:38:25] ruurd: workmad3 ISTM that clang 7.3.0 broke a bunch of shit
[13:38:33] amincd: hi, how do I use the irb bot here?
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[13:41:31] amincd: puts "test"
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[13:47:36] amincd: hsh = {"a" => 1, "b" => 2, "c" => 3}
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[13:48:34] amincd: >> hsh = {"a" => 1, "b" => 2, "c" => 3}
[13:48:35] ruby[bot]: amincd: # => {"a"=>1, "b"=>2, "c"=>3} (https://eval.in/546767)
[13:49:06] steve: tom39291: :)
[13:49:38] roelof: Can someone help me with this problem : https://gist.github.com/rwobben/f27dc15ed4b5204d90c7c017c888bd93
[13:50:05] amincd: >> p Time.new.round(2).iso8601(3)
[13:50:06] ruby[bot]: amincd: # => undefined method `iso8601' for 2016-04-02 13:50:05 +0000:Time (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/546771)
[13:50:58] apeiros: roelof: do |word| {
[13:51:09] amincd: how do I use the iso8601() method?
[13:51:11] apeiros: you have to decide which one you use - either do, or {, not both
[13:51:16] apeiros: amincd: require 'time'
[13:51:52] amincd: apeiros: thanks
[13:51:55] roelof: apeiros: thanks, another time saved my day
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[15:49:14] greengriminal: How do you use Regexp with a gloabl modifier. on the ruby docs: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.3.0/Regexp.html#method-c-new it supports: Regexp::EXTENDED, Regexp::IGNORECASE, and Regexp::MULTILINE should there not be one for Regexp::GLOBAL?
[15:49:57] benzrf: greengriminal: you use gsub instead of sub
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[16:19:22] shevy: If I redefine an existing method, I will get a warning such as: "warning: method redefined; discarding old initialize", such as in https://gist.github.com/shevegen/4c1bd71facbf7219133d8f5da3a86929 - is there a simple way to modify an existing method without incurring such a warning?
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[16:21:57] shevy: I can use undef_method to get rid of an already existing method, but can I get a copy of an old method too?
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[16:26:00] shevy: ah I was wrong
[16:26:05] shevy: alias seems to copy anyway
[16:26:17] shevy: now I narrowed it down to this "foo.rb:22: warning: undefining `initialize' may cause serious problems" hahaha
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[16:48:25] smathy: shevy, !fake - your code works fine with no error when pasted into a pry session.
[16:48:33] smathy: Oh, not in that channel.
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[16:49:03] smathy: Don't use fake code, it doesn't help us understand the problem.
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[16:49:18] smathy: And/or if that code gives you an error, which ruby version?
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[16:52:04] shevy: smathy fake?
[16:52:10] shevy: smathy have you run with warnings enabled?
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[16:58:04] smathy: Oh, no, I didn't realize you were running in warnings mode, you must have mentioned that before I joined.
[16:58:49] smathy: (or does this channel view `-w` as some sort of "proper" way to run the interpreter? I'm still new here)
[16:58:52] shevy: Hmm I actually forgot to mention that; I also don't see who joins or leaves, sorry
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[17:06:44] chridal: So where does one ask a question like this? I don't know.
[17:07:05] chridal: We've got a Ruby stack and I need to write some sort of algorithm to rank content that will be displayed in a feed.
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[17:07:32] chridal: I will be using Postgres, Redis and Neo4J with different approaches to determine what content might be interesting for you
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[17:07:54] chridal: Here's my question; have any of you solved anything like this with Ruby before, and in that case; do you have any resources you'd like to point out?
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[17:08:41] chridal: It's a social network and we have different interactions like viewing content, writing comments, and following users
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[17:32:09] smathy: chridal, just google ranking algorithms.
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[17:37:39] chridal: Cheers. Didn't think about that.
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[21:07:18] redasus: I've installed rails, passenger and nginx on an aws ec2 ubuntu server. I've followed the tutorials and started the nginx server. but I'm getting a 404 error when I try to go to the home page.
[21:07:55] smathy: Maybe you want #rubyonrails
[21:07:57] adaedra: ugh, bot's down again.
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[21:08:01] jakelovesvivi: redasus copy in your config file?
[21:08:19] redasus: nginx config file ?
[21:08:21] adaedra: redasus: you may want to discuss that in #RubyOnRails.
[21:08:38] jakelovesvivi: Yes, its in /etc/nginx
[21:09:05] smathy: jakelovesvivi, it's off topic, head on over to #rubyonrails if you want to talk about it with redasus
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[21:09:50] Guest23288: Hi! Is anybody here know platforms to stream coding?
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[21:10:21] Guest23288: like twitch but for coding
[21:10:30] adaedra: I found one once
[21:10:41] redasus: https://ideone.com/GRQtpT
[21:10:47] redasus: this is my nginx.conf file
[21:10:56] smathy: redasus, what's wrong with you?
[21:11:02] smathy: redasus, go to #rubyonrails
[21:11:17] adaedra: Guest23288: livecoding.tv it seems.
[21:11:19] jakelovesvivi: Im trying to install ruby 2.x, I'm using mint cinnamon and apt-get gives me 1.9.8, I'm a huge linux noob and would like advice, I suppose I'm going to try using a tarball, don't know how yet, but if anybody has an easy fix it would be appreciated
[21:11:21] redasus: smathy, okay :)
[21:11:52] benzrf: jakelovesvivi: apart from rvm, chruby and ruby-install would work
[21:11:57] smathy: jakelovesvivi, yeah, use one of the ruby version tools, although I'd recommend chruby over rvm.
[21:11:58] Guest23288: redasus: It's not stream service
[21:12:24] smathy: Guest23288, they weren't talking to you.
[21:13:21] Guest23288: adaedra: have a link?
[21:13:33] smathy: Guest23288, other than the one she already gave you?
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[21:14:57] Guest23288: smathy: which one?
[21:15:28] smathy: [15:11:17] @adaedra: Guest23288: livecoding.tv it seems.
[21:16:43] Guest23288: yes, this good one, I missed it
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[21:19:04] maranza: Hello everyone
[21:19:40] Begi: Hello, maranza
[21:20:02] maranza: any simple app suggestions for a Ruby begginer ??
[21:20:41] Begi: What's your level ?
[21:21:59] maranza: begginer...i want to learn it by actually app development...i have programming background though.
[21:22:05] smathy: puts "Hello world!"
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[21:24:23] adaedra: http://ruby-community.org/pages/links — maranza: there's some websites with exercices on them to train yourself, like exercism and the koans.
[21:24:55] moh0852: #rubyonrails
[21:25:17] adaedra: It's the next door.
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[21:26:44] xpt: /j #rubyonrails
[21:26:52] xpt: /j <- this one helps a little :)
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[21:28:44] moh0852: ok,sorry i was wrong
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[21:31:49] smathy: Didn't want to go to #ror after all :)
[21:32:31] shevy: they must play unicode hangman there
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[21:35:48] smathy: All their answers are just `render partial: "answer"`
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[22:28:38] adaedra: -o apeiros
[22:28:47] adaedra: -o adaedra
[22:28:55] shevy: yay! take his power away!
[22:29:05] adaedra: Tab key, why you fail me
[22:29:56] adaedra: anyway, g'night.
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[22:34:36] gemking: anyone here know C programming?
[22:34:59] gemking: I tried pasting my program in the chat but I got banned by accident since I thought the person trying to help me wanted me to put it in the topic
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[22:47:32] smathy: ...so you thought "I know what I'll do, I'll ask about C programming in some other totally unrelated channel...." - ffs!
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