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[00:29:01] Arcaire: Daily reminder that CamelCase and mixedCase are clear signs that you are submitting to the evils of programming languages.
[00:29:04] Arcaire: Thank you for your attention.
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[00:29:49] al2o3-cr: Arcaire: i'll remember that in my memory box, thank you
[00:30:05] Arcaire: Part of me wonders if this would've been a more valuable PSA in #python.
[00:30:07] smathy: IHaveNoIdeaWhatYou'reTalkingAboutArcaire
[00:30:20] Arcaire: Damn lad you need some holy water.
[00:30:22] Arcaire: require 'water/holy'
[00:30:47] smathy: IT BURNS!
[00:30:58] Arcaire: Oop, my bad. That was vodka.
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[01:07:26] gr1zzlybe4r: What is the best guide on what a Symbol is?
[01:07:53] Radar: gr1zzlybe4r: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/255078/whats-the-difference-between-a-string-and-a-symbol-in-ruby
[01:08:49] gr1zzlybe4r: Radar: thanks
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[01:30:14] sfmk: I'm having a bit of trouble with a project of mine and was wondering if I could get some fresh eyes
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[01:32:58] Radar: sfmk: sure
[01:32:59] sfmk: https://gist.github.com/aburgd/b554912594f1e121d92a38ba87a5752a
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[01:37:24] sfmk: My problem is that nothing is being put
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[01:39:35] Ropeney: sfmk, gets.chomp
[01:39:55] Ropeney: or if if answer.eql? "public key\n"
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[01:41:28] sfmk: I added .chomp, but that didn't solve my original problem
[01:41:41] Ropeney: sfmk, well I didn't know your original problem :|
[01:41:50] sfmk: I updated my gist with the command I'm running and the output, as well
[01:42:17] Ropeney: when you puts variables, you need double quotes
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[01:42:37] Ropeney: sfmk 'Send this to your contact: #{pk}' should be "Send this to your contact: #{pk}" etc
[01:43:19] sfmk: fixed the double quotes
[01:44:19] Ropeney: sfmk enjoy :D
[01:47:59] sfmk: Okay so I found out that the program actually runs, both classes
[01:48:13] sfmk: but the prompts are only put after the termination of the program
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[01:52:57] Ropeney: sfmk, the puts are prompted in the locations you put them...?
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[01:53:35] Ropeney: sfmk, there is alot wrong with your program; but some of that you might just want to fix
[01:54:07] sfmk: aside from relocating the put statements, what else is wrong?
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[01:55:34] Ropeney: sfmk, I dont have the time to go through it all; but it'll let you know when its wrong. IE: "Prime.check_secret" will need a paramter passed to it
[01:55:39] Ropeney: probably the a above it
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[01:56:12] sfmk: ah, right, yeah I noticed that when I tried to check the secret and edited that
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[03:10:35] amincd: Does someone know of a good write up for http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Range.html#method-i-bsearch ? I'm not quite getting how the code in block of the 'find any' mode relates to the result
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[03:12:46] amincd: where it says: "the block returns a positive number for v if v < x", what is 'v'?
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[03:16:12] amincd: Ok, I think X and Y are the beginning and end of the range
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[05:57:30] shevy: in the event that not everyone has already read it, and assuming that the one or other may find it a good read - this actually was a good read IMHO http://blog.arkency.com/2016/04/how-i-hunted-the-most-odd-ruby-bug/
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[06:21:41] Abhijit: my csv object reads csv arary from last line first. how can I make it read from first line first.
[06:22:22] Abhijit: `derpy, the links you gave last time, works with single dimension array. i cant figure out how to make it work on my mulidimensional csv array
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[06:23:41] smathy: Abhijit, can you show what's happening, and your code, in a gist.
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[06:25:58] Caerus: shevy, nice read indeed. I wonder if there are any 'ruby is slow' statements based on similar strange behavior .. :(
[06:27:37] GeorgeGibson: Anyone know why 'The procedure entry point _gmtime64_s could not be located'? As I'm away from my Linux box, thought I'd try Ruby on Windows and this is all I get.
[06:28:53] shevy: Caerus well that was not an intrinsic slowness, just a deliberate one when sleep() would be triggered
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[06:29:23] Abhijit: smathy, https://gist.github.com/abhijitnavale/6fc4373ba686fd49ec28c163cb9270be
[06:29:29] shevy: the ruby is slow was heavily influenced by the 1.8.x era
[06:30:20] Caerus: GeorgeGibson, are you trying to run ruby in xp?
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[06:32:10] Caerus: GeorgeGibson, i think you need windows 7
[06:32:18] Caerus: or at least vista.
[06:32:39] GeorgeGibson: Well, on my Laptop I have 10, but I reckon Windows got worse as it went on.
[06:32:48] smathy: Abhijit, so what about that suggests to you that the csv object is reading your csv array from last line first?
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[06:33:08] Abhijit: smathy, first line is printed last.
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[06:33:33] smathy: Abhijit, did you not write this code?
[06:33:46] Caerus: GeorgeGibson https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/3stkd9be%28v=vs.80%29.aspx <--- visual studio 2005 (released AFTER windows xp)
[06:34:19] Abhijit: smathy, yes. i wrote this code.
[06:34:54] Abhijit: smathy, oh. sorry.
[06:35:03] GeorgeGibson: Caerus Damn, OK.
[06:35:13] smathy: Abhijit, so you know that you accumulated any record matching a certain test into an array, and then AFTER you finished processing all the rows of the CSV you output that array.
[06:35:25] Abhijit: smathy, previouly i was adding other if elseif condition and other info to array, but later on deleted that. i forgot that i deleted that.
[06:35:38] Abhijit: smathy, yeah. got it. my fault.
[06:35:45] smathy: Abhijit, ok cool.
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[06:36:13] Caerus: shevy, yes, it wasn't an intrinsic slowness and although I highly doubt there were many cases or any where the bug was replicated in production, I reckon non-saavy devs would pin something like that on 'ruby is slow' that they might have heard from 1.8.x times.
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[06:40:31] shevy: pretty heroic to investigate as much as he did, I would have thrown in the towel a lot earlier
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[06:40:58] Caerus: I can imagine the long hours of log browsing
[06:41:13] Abhijit: please share the link you guys are talking about.
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[06:42:04] Caerus: " <shevy> in the event that not everyone has already read it, and assuming that the one or other may find it a good read - this actually was a good read IMHO http://blog.arkency.com/2016/04/how-i-hunted-the-most-odd-ruby-bug/ "
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[08:24:41] Gasher: do you know any alternative to gnuplot for Ruby? I'd prefer one that doesn't need an external program and/or just produces an external image
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[09:21:08] shevy: Gasher don't know of an alternative... we probably may have to tape duct things together in ruby
[09:21:43] Gasher: it looks like gnuplot will do the best work
[09:21:50] Gasher: but it looks really complicated
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[09:32:39] xpt: yea, gnuplot is very powerfull tool, so it has to be a little bit complicated :)
[09:32:50] xpt: but IIRC the #gnuplot can be very helpfull
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[09:36:13] Gasher: thanks xpt , I sure will use it!
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[09:49:20] Gasher: xpt; well, I already found a way of doing that, so now I just need to finish calculations, use the Ruby interface and I'm done!
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[10:27:10] Caerus: hello again, quick question: is there a recommended book for ruby design patterns?
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[10:27:32] ruby[bot]: Practical Object Oriented Design in Ruby http://www.poodr.com/
[10:27:56] Caerus: thank you
[10:28:04] Ox0dea: Sure thing.
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[10:29:07] wikkit: I have a question about running my ruby code - is here the appropriate place to ask, do you know?
[10:29:52] Caerus: sure is, lots of very knowledgeable rubyists here
[10:30:20] wikkit: Ok, great! ^_^ Hope I'm not being too silly (still a newb)
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[10:30:54] wikkit: When I try and run my ruby code from the commandline (running Windows 8), ruby 2.3, it tells me that "This program cannot be run in DOS mode"
[10:31:31] Caerus: you mean like " ruby somecode.rb "
[10:31:37] wikkit: I didn't get this message before, so I am wondering if it is something to do with a new Ruby installation, or something not ruby-related
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[10:32:02] wikkit: yeah, what I run is "path\program.rb ruby.exe"
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[10:32:16] Ox0dea: wikkit: You've got it backward.
[10:32:19] wikkit: (after CDing to the ruby.exe directory)
[10:32:26] Caerus: IIR should be backwards
[10:32:56] wikkit: Oh! so "ruby program.rb" ?
[10:33:10] Ox0dea: There it is.
[10:33:16] canton7: yes. "Run the ruby interpreter, and pass it the path of the ruby program to run a first parameter"
[10:33:32] Caerus: also, make sure your ruby installation is in some of your PATH variables.
[10:33:37] shevy: Gasher yeah I found it complicated too, but there was some really cool python bioinformatics software that made heavy use of it. I forgot the name but on my todo list, is one todo entry where I shall clone this functionality for ruby too \o/ - only bad thing of todo lists is that they keep on growing and growing and growing...
[10:33:56] wikkit: Ah, ok. I will try that now. was using plain cmd.exe
[10:34:12] Caerus: in cmd prompt
[10:34:20] lxsameer: is there any solution to run a code snippet after bundler install ?
[10:34:29] Gasher: shevy; do you mean matplotlib?
[10:35:25] Caerus: wikkit, in cmd prompt (ie C:\) you go: ruby \path\to\my\rubyfile.rb
[10:35:28] Ox0dea: lxsameer: You can add your Rakefile to the spec.extensions Array and your default task will be run when your gem is installed.
[10:36:05] wikkit: and that is with adding ruby executables to PATH installed?
[10:36:12] lxsameer: Ox0dea: spec.extensions in gemspec right ?
[10:36:16] Ox0dea: lxsameer: Oui.
[10:36:35] Ox0dea: No worries.
[10:36:43] Ox0dea: Do you solemnly swear that you're up to no good? :P
[10:36:48] Caerus: wikkit, yeah most installers just append it for you, which is why you really should only have one version of ruby on your windows
[10:37:00] lxsameer: Ox0dea: but I'm looking for a solution to create ctags after each bundle install
[10:37:28] Caerus: afaik there is no RVM on windows (ruby version manager)
[10:37:32] Ox0dea: lxsameer: Oh, like that. Cleanest would probably be to just watch the directory where your gems get installed.
[10:37:51] Ox0dea: With something like https://github.com/guard/guard
[10:37:52] wikkit: Caerus: Gotcha. That worked amazingly, thank you!
[10:38:08] wikkit: Caerus: ah ok. so I'll make sure I've removed previous ruby installs too
[10:38:28] lxsameer: Ox0dea: hmm there is a guard plugin for that, but i was wondering if there is a better idea
[10:38:32] lxsameer: Ox0dea: thanks
[10:38:35] Caerus: wikkit, np :)
[10:39:32] Ox0dea: lxsameer: Well, it doesn't seem like something Bundler itself supports just yet, but that would be a nice feature.
[10:40:00] lxsameer: Ox0dea: i guess so
[10:40:13] Ox0dea: lxsameer: It's been in the works for some time: https://github.com/bundler/bundler-features/issues/8
[10:40:33] Caerus: it was my impression though, when first coming in contact with ruby(a while back) that it was very windows 'unfriendly'. I did manage to go on and about with aptana studio and gui git. Not sure if thats the case now.
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[13:02:28] Abhijit: when i do @var = csv.find(condition) what can i use to check if @var has value? exist, present and empty gives errors
[13:02:39] Abhijit: @var is csv row
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[13:03:29] norc: Abhijit: defined?
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[13:03:42] norc: Abhijit: It is a huge abomination though.
[13:03:55] Abhijit: norc, NoMethodError: undefined method `defined?' for #<CSV::Row:0x00000002ddfa98>
[13:04:06] norc: >> defined?(@foo)
[13:04:07] ruby[bot]: norc: # => nil (https://eval.in/556954)
[13:04:13] norc: >> @foo = ""; defined?(@foo)
[13:04:14] ruby[bot]: norc: # => "instance-variable" (https://eval.in/556955)
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[13:04:43] Abhijit: ArgumentError: comparison of String with 0 failed
[13:04:49] Abhijit: norc, why abomination? what shall use then?
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[13:04:54] norc: Abhijit: If you just specifically care about the instance variable you can use instance_variable_get
[13:05:12] norc: Abhijit: Errr no.
[13:05:33] norc: Abhijit: Is nil a possible value?
[13:05:39] norc: If not, just use @var.nil?
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[13:06:01] Abhijit: nil works.
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[14:35:31] shibly: Suppose i have installed ruby from source, now i want to update the ruby, how can i do it?
[14:35:56] oddmunds: shibly: just get a newer source and install from source again?
[14:36:27] shibly: If i delete the old source code, will it delete the gems too?
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[14:36:42] smathy: shibly, no, not the source code, you'd need to delete the install directory.
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[14:37:18] shibly: Where do the gems reside?
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[14:38:22] jhass: shibly: gem env will hint
[14:39:30] smathy: shibly, I came in late, so maybe this has been proposed, but these things you're talking about are why most of us use a version manager like chruby or rbenv.
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[14:39:50] jhass: you actually joined before them :P
[14:40:33] shibly: Should i use chruby?
[14:40:49] jhass: chruby only switches rubies, but possibly
[14:40:58] smathy: shibly, yes, with a few sensible assumptions about your setup, yes.
[14:41:19] jhass: if you pick that one you also should pick an installation helper, like ruby-build or ruby-install
[14:41:47] smathy: Oh sorry, yes ^ I forget that they're different components.
[14:41:50] shibly: Is rbenv a alternative to chruby?
[14:41:59] jhass: and so is RVM
[14:42:26] smathy: rbenv will also use ruby-build or whatever to manage the installations.
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[14:42:29] shibly: No, i will install ruby from source.
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[14:42:56] smathy: rvm is a bit heavier and ships with the installer part too (and a gem management part which is mostly redundant because of bundler)
[14:43:14] jhass: rvm, ruby-build and ruby-install are designed to install ruby _from source_ to a specified prefix
[14:43:23] smathy: shibly, they all install from source, but regardless - you can still use chruby or rbenv to switch between your installed versions.
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[14:43:56] shibly: If i need to install another ruby, i will delete the older ruby and install the newer
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[14:45:21] shibly: If i delete the older ruby, will it delete the older gems too?
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[14:47:12] jhass: that has already been answered
[14:48:08] shibly: jhass, It's not answered.
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[14:48:44] jhass: you didn't specify how exactly you installed ruby, you didn't specify what exactly you plan to delete, but you do seem to have a specific plan as to how to delete
[14:49:06] jhass: your question as to where gems reside was answered, the output of gem env shows it
[14:49:21] jhass: thus since you know what you want to delete, you can see whether the gems are part of it
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[14:50:53] shibly: I haven't installed ruby, i'm going to install now.
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[14:55:18] blash1: what's the best way to debug the native CRuby library? I've been changing a Gem with a C extension so the C stuff outputs some logging, but how do I do that with the actual Ruby lib?
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[15:10:19] shibly: It's compiling ruby source code
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[15:22:28] shibly: Installation from source is complete
[15:22:53] shibly: Ruby is in /home/shibly/ruby-2.3.0/ruby-build/bin
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[15:23:59] jhass: now you could use chruby to set the right environment variables for you
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[15:31:39] shibly: jhass, I don't want to use chruby, rather i want to add ruby path to .bashrc
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[15:37:51] hxegon: shibly why not?
[15:38:22] shibly: I don't want to use third party to add path.
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[15:39:47] hxegon: shibly why don't you want to let a third party touch your path?
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[15:45:06] shibly: hxegon, I can add PATH by myself manually.
[15:45:12] shibly: To .bashrc
[15:45:45] hxegon: shibly that's true, but manually path editing every time you want to change your ruby version is a hassle
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[15:46:51] hxegon: rather than 'rbenv global/local <new_version>' or the chruby equivalent.
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[15:52:41] shibly: jhass, So if i remove /home/shibly/ruby-2.3.0/ruby-build/ it will remove the gems too
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[15:53:22] jhass: see above
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[15:53:34] shibly: jhass, gems are in /home/shibly/ruby-2.3.0/ruby-build/lib/ruby/gems/2.3.0/gems
[15:53:48] jhass: so, obviously
[15:54:13] jhass: have fun exploring GEM_HOME, GEM_PATH and the --user-install option to gem now
[15:54:32] shibly: jhass, I didn't use chruby
[15:55:39] jhass: I assumed it's not what you wanted given you're still talking
[15:56:16] shevy: Gasher hmm no let me try to find it
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[15:56:55] shevy: Gasher I think it was a script that can autogenerate images like this http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/content/43/D1/D227/F1.large.jpg
[15:56:58] shevy: part of a larger suite
[15:57:38] Computergeek01: eam Hello again, sorry about bailing yesterday but something came up at work. I wanted to update you guys and let you know that nuking the Mac fixed the issue, so the problem was likely to be something deep in the toolchain
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[16:00:21] Computergeek01: Thanks again for your help. Take it easy
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[16:06:43] mustmodify: I'm pretty sure I don't need this book but I just want it for the alliteration. http://ft.trillian.im/85353d38f4d2f94dfd75830e8d48517cc62ddc94/6GUGIXtFkUcQuCk2RMgCZhu6r4Q2O.jpg
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[16:09:15] mustmodify: Data Deduplication for Dummies
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[16:26:53] igam: mustmodify: Data Deduplication and Deletion of Duplicate Data for Dumb Dummies.
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[16:29:33] shibly: I have installed ruby from source, if i need to update the ruby, i will remove the older ruby and install the newer, but it will delete gems too, how can i keep the older gems?
[16:30:49] smathy: shibly, why would you want the older gems?
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[16:31:42] shibly: smathy, Installing gems everytime is time-consuming.
[16:32:07] smathy: shibly, but you can't reliably use the old gems with the new ruby.
[16:32:24] shibly: smathy, Why not? What's wrong?
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[16:33:15] smathy: shibly, some gems have native (compiled) components, they won't work across different ruby versions. This all is why version managers (and bundler) were invented.
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[16:34:27] shevy: shibly first off all gems are stored in the cache/ subdirectory, so you can just copy them
[16:34:32] smathy: shibly, you're basically trying to do manually something for which a very decent selection of tools already exists.
[16:34:55] shevy: shibly you can also install a gem into the home dir, e. g. "gem install --user-install"
[16:35:11] shibly: smathy, Which tool are you talking about?
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[16:35:56] smathy: shevy, and how do they solve the problems I've mentioned?
[16:36:25] shevy: smathy hmm? do they have to?
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[16:37:00] smathy: shibly, chruby/rbenv and their install helpers: ruby-install or ruby-build
[16:37:23] shibly: smathy, If i use rvm, then will i be able to use older gem with newer ruby?
[16:37:33] smathy: shevy, pronoun failure, does who have to what?
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[16:37:56] smathy: shibly, no, you will never be able to do that for any gem that has a compiled component.
[16:38:09] shevy: smathy there is no failure
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[16:38:26] smathy: shibly, but it will make installing and switching between different versions ruby and each of their unique sets of gems a trivial process.
[16:38:30] shibly: smathy, If i use chruby/rbenv then will i be able to do this?
[16:38:47] smathy: shevy, that doesn't make sense as a response to what I asked.
[16:38:55] igam: But even without a compiled component, the version of the gem may be restricted by the version of ruby. A eg. gem could be stuck to version 1.9 for a given ruby version, and when you upgrade ruby, you have to go forward to version 2.0 of the gem, because of an incompatibility.
[16:38:56] smathy: shibly, yes.
[16:38:57] shevy: smathy it makes perfect sense
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[16:39:24] shevy: which is precisely how I manage all the gems myself, in exactly that way too
[16:39:24] smathy: shevy, heh :) Ok, well I'm just an idiot, whatever you do, don't clarify so I can understand.
[16:39:44] smathy: igam, yes, that's also true.
[16:39:59] shibly: smathy, If i use chruby/rbenv then will i be able to use older gems with newer ruby?
[16:40:12] smathy: [10:37:52] smathy: shibly, no, you will never be able to do that for any gem that has a compiled component.
[16:40:13] shevy: well ok, for the gems that don't have to be compiled
[16:40:36] shevy: for the ones that have to be compiled natively you are right
[16:41:08] shibly: So what should i do if i want to keep older gems and use it?
[16:41:14] smathy: shevy, right, so telling someone who is clearly not aware of all the consequences that they can just copy their gems from one ruby version to another is probably not really going to help them.
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[16:41:36] smathy: shibly, ah ok, I see the piece of information you don't have.
[16:42:19] smathy: shibly, when you use a version manager like rbenv/chruby then you have multiple different versions of ruby installed in different directories and each different version *has its own set of gems* that will work with it.
[16:42:32] smathy: shibly, when you switch from one to the other you automatically get the right gems for that version of ruby.
[16:43:17] smathy: ...which is why we keep advising you to use those tools.
[16:43:53] shibly: No, i will not use tools, i will delete older ruby and gems, then i will install newer ruby and newer gems
[16:44:09] shibly: I don't want to be dependent with tools
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[16:46:12] Gasher: shevy; hmm, looks nice and useful
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[16:55:15] shibly: shevy, Where would i put the .gem files from cache?
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[16:57:04] shevy: shibly you mean for a reinstall?
[16:57:15] shevy: actually I just do a batch-install anew from my backup directory
[16:57:57] shevy: but in theory, the non-compiled gems are just a recursive copy. Is there a reason why you don't want to do "gem install ./*.gem" in that dir?
[16:57:59] shibly: shevy, You told me to copy older .gem files from cache/ directory
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[16:58:20] shevy: yeah, copy them to some backup directory from there
[16:59:06] shibly: shevy, Would i copy the older .gem files from cache/ to newer cache/ directory?
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[16:59:36] shevy: no that alone would not suffice, it's just a backup dir
[17:00:06] shibly: shevy, What would i do with the backed up .gem files from cache/ directory?
[17:00:18] shevy: gem install ./*.gem
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[17:01:02] shibly: shevy, If the gem is compiled with specific ruby version, then will it work?
[17:01:28] shevy: that can not work if it has a different ABI version
[17:02:08] shibly: shevy, What's ABI version?
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[17:04:12] shevy: I can't check what the older rubies used
[17:04:21] shevy: on my ruby I have 2.3.0
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[17:04:53] shevy: for ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.9.tar.gz, it probably would be 2.1.0
[17:05:11] shevy: zzak mentioned the scheme at https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2013/12/21/ruby-version-policy-changes-with-2-1-0/ under "ABI Compatibility"
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[17:09:04] jhass: shevy: wait, you're saying rubygems repackages the compiled extension into a .gem file? I highly doubt that
[17:10:07] shevy: no, he must compile anew
[17:10:40] jhass: why "<shevy> that can not work if it has a different ABI version" then?
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[17:11:08] shevy: because that can not work right?
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[17:14:32] jhass: shevy: what's "that" in your head now?
[17:14:58] shevy: jhass that you could use old compiled .so objects for different ruby versions
[17:15:04] shevy: jhass can you tell me how this is done?
[17:15:26] jhass: but you were talking about using .gem files from cache/
[17:15:39] shevy: jhass what does cache/ have to do with ABI
[17:15:46] jhass: my question
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[17:15:51] shevy: no you connected that
[17:16:01] shevy: so please explain
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[17:16:42] jhass: you told shibly to backup the .gem files from cache/ and gem install ./*.gem them on the new ruby
[17:16:56] jhass: they asked if that'll impose any ABI issues
[17:16:59] shevy: it is a very simply method
[17:17:08] jhass: then you said it cannot work
[17:17:11] shevy: he has to compile it
[17:17:18] shevy: yes tell me how he can avoid compiling
[17:17:21] jhass: gem install does compile it
[17:17:32] jhass: I never claimed he can
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[17:17:57] shevy: problem solved now right?
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[17:18:24] jhass: try to be less confusing please
[17:18:32] shevy: try to be less distracting please
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[17:19:25] jhass: don't play that game, you'll loose
[17:19:31] shevy: uh? what does this mean?
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[17:19:42] smathy: jhass, to be fair, earlier shibly was suggesting/asking if he could just copy the precompiled gems from one ruby version to another, there might have still been some carry over that you read from that part of the earlier conversation.
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[17:21:31] shevy: smathy tried to help
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[17:22:00] jhass: https://p.jhass.eu/1m.txt I think that's pretty self contained
[17:22:18] shevy: some parts are missing
[17:22:26] smathy: Not arguing, just offering a potential additional context.
[17:22:49] shevy: let me scroll up to the part where jhass helped shibly
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[17:23:26] smathy: jhass, umm, reading that it seems pretty clear that shibly re-asked about re-using the compiled versions of the gem (as opposed to what shevy was suggesting) and shevy responded that he couldn't do that because of the ABI version.
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[17:24:07] shevy: well at the end of the day, we'll all be happier if shibly has solved his problem
[17:24:19] smathy: jhass, ie. shibly's "then will it work" is him re-asking the same question he's been asking for a long time, "is there ANY way I can move the compiled gems in a different ruby version" - we've answered that same question a dozen different times.
[17:24:44] smathy: jhass, ...and every time we mention something new, he re-asks whether that will allow him to use the compiled gems in different ruby versions.
[17:24:52] tubbo: y u no elixir
[17:25:13] tubbo: that is, if you just wanna compile once and move shit around wherever
[17:25:27] jhass: I guess I just found that question to relate to the newly offered method much more likely and had enough good faith that shibly finally got that they can't copy the installed version
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[17:25:48] smathy: Yeah, that's the context you were missing. It's shibly's same question that he's asked a dozen different times.
[17:26:08] jhass: i actually read all that
[17:26:21] jhass: hence my good faith
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[17:26:49] jhass: my impression so far was immune to community standards but not immune to understanding
[17:27:28] tubbo: i wish i was immune to community standards
[17:27:35] tubbo: life would be so much easier ;)
[17:27:41] tubbo: y'all can't tell me what to do!
[17:27:49] StevenNunez: Hey guys!! Where would be the best place to ask a Rack question?
[17:28:05] smathy: jhass, my faith was lost in this exchange: https://gist.github.com/smathy/04c5c75966bee21bbf983c91150615b4
[17:28:08] tubbo: StevenNunez: you can ask it here, but people in #rubyonrails will probably know too.
[17:28:35] StevenNunez: So Rack 2.0.0 alpha comes with rails 4
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[17:29:42] shibly: StevenNunez, There is a channel #rack, i don't know if that is active.
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[17:32:21] shibly: Bye, thank you all for your answers.
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[17:38:06] jhass: https://rubygems.org/gems/Rack/versions/2.0.0 :o
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[17:40:53] shevy: cool... I did not know that there actually is a capitalized variant of rack
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[17:44:33] smathy: TIL that rubygems were case sensitive, /me registers RAILS - it's just like rails but LOUDER!
[17:45:43] jhass: I'll take BundleR then
[17:45:55] jhass: it's like bundler but even more silicon valley
[17:46:15] smathy: Heh :) Cool bro!
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[17:48:16] xpt: i'd make rubyGEMS which would be case insensitive and break everything
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[18:02:37] hxegon: hello sophron
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[18:11:20] shevy: yo havenwood
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[18:29:39] shevy: hmm why did they go for () parens at https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/lib/cgi/util.rb#L4 ? @@accept_charset="UTF-8" unless defined?(@@accept_charset)
[18:32:18] Zarthus: is there something wrong with that?
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[18:32:29] Zarthus: to me it seems the entire file uses parenthesis
[18:33:01] Zarthus: (although what I did not know is that you can do def stuff(encoding=@@stuff)
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[18:35:18] shevy: not sure https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/lib/cgi/util.rb#L83
[18:35:42] shevy: there probably is no reason either way, it just surprised me
[18:35:48] Zarthus: different contributors
[18:36:06] Zarthus: that's the most likely reason anyhow
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[18:37:13] shevy: I peeked at securerandom.rb https://gist.github.com/shevegen/4f105de62d5797056edc5982a1df6d86
[18:37:14] Zarthus: i should read through the ruby source code more often
[18:37:18] Zarthus: i'm finding a lot of useful stuff
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[18:37:44] shevy: that variant is even stranger
[18:37:50] shevy: if (seed)
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[18:37:56] shevy: if defined? OpenSSL::Random
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[18:38:04] shevy: and two lines later ... @pid = 0 unless defined?(@pid)
[18:38:22] shevy: one day I shall run rubocop autocorrect on it :)
[18:38:41] Zarthus: looks like it's to avoid undefined variable errors
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[18:39:07] Zarthus: oh, I see what you mean
[18:39:17] shevy: yah well I guess the use case is fine, I am not sure why one time () is used and elsewhere it is not
[18:40:04] Zarthus: if this is from the same ruby repository - I'm just going to say "because the thing exists since '95 and style guides are one of the least important things to fix once broken"
[18:41:40] shevy: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/tree/trunk/lib
[18:41:53] shevy: guess some of that is unchanged since a long time
[18:42:00] Zarthus: looks like frozen_string_literal is a free way to get a performance boost
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[18:42:47] shevy: they heroically added it https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/lib/tmpdir.rb
[18:42:57] shevy: guess past ruby 3.x it'll be less important to have to add it
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[18:44:07] adaedra: Plan is that it should not have effect (the comment) on 3.x
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[18:44:51] Zarthus: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/lib/ubygems.rb
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[18:46:05] jhass: Zarthus: it's so you can ruby -rubygems
[18:46:29] jhass: same for un.rb -> ruby -run
[18:46:40] Zarthus: I didn't think of it that way
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[18:50:08] shevy: you can have fun with -r and find good names. like ocket.rb
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[18:53:03] shevy: or ack.rb :)
[18:53:31] jhass: ampage.rb
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[19:19:26] Gash: hello, I'm having problems installing gems on a Windows machine (installed Ruby through choco, it's the ruby-installer version afaik), but even tho I'm installing gems, the programs can't find them
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[19:20:25] Gash: cmd sux so I can't paste it, but it just didn't find the executable
[19:20:58] smathy: Gash, while you wait to see if anyone here can give you Windows advice, I'll tell you what I tell everyone on Windows - just use Vagrant or some other VM for your ruby environment.
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[19:21:53] Gash: I just wrote a program for a friend, he's installing Linux tomorrow, but we want it to run today
[19:23:46] smathy: Gash, well if Windows is not your final platform and because time is of the essence then I'd *definitely* recommend just installing Vagrant.
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[19:28:39] Gash: installing Cygwin rn
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[19:29:16] Gash: I dunno if it will launch my Windows programs
[19:29:26] Gash: I'm using a graphical program to display some things
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[19:33:16] smathy: I don't have Windows, so maybe I'm just clueless, but I had no idea you needed to use cygwin to run Vagrant, I thought just a Virtualbox and off you went.
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[19:34:58] havenwood: Yeah, I'd imagine Vagrant should work fine with VirtualBox or VMWare on Win.
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[19:35:48] mustmodify: Interesting... you can't rescue SyntaxErrors from eval
[19:35:48] havenwood: It'll be nice when the ubuntu shell for win lands on stable Windows.
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[19:37:01] mustmodify: Oh... you can, but you must specify that you're rescuing ScriptError or SyntaxError.
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[19:37:43] mustmodify: Ah, so rescue defaults to StardardError?...
[19:37:45] mustmodify: no that's not it.
[19:37:48] mustmodify: well, interesting.
[19:38:04] mustmodify: havenwood: That blew my mind.
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[19:38:15] mustmodify: havenwood: What will they do about symlinks?
[19:38:32] mustmodify: I mean, Windows people won't adopt in en masse, but man... what they'll be missing.
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[19:39:36] VeryBewitching: It'll be nice to use a good shell in Windows without having to install the cygwin mess
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[19:40:24] eam: mustmodify: yes, rescue defaults to StandardError
[19:40:25] mustmodify: I've heard their PowerShell is nice but haven't used it.
[19:40:39] smathy: mustmodify, probably they'll do this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa365680(v=vs.85).aspx
[19:40:42] mustmodify: eam: Well I just rescued NoMethodError, which doesn't seem to be a StandardError
[19:40:47] eam: if you rescue Exception you'll get everything (and generally you don't want to)
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[19:41:31] eam: mustmodify: NoMethodError from NameError from StandardError
[19:42:05] eam: mustmodify: https://robots.thoughtbot.com/rescue-standarderror-not-exception
[19:42:06] mustmodify: eam: Ah... it's NoMemoryError
[19:42:09] dotix: is there a way to have {1=>[2, 3]} out of [[1, 2], [1,3]] without taping hash and interating over arry ?
[19:42:18] mustmodify: eam: I was looking at a hierarchy and just misread.
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[19:42:28] eam: aha. Generally you won't want to rescue NoMemoryError
[19:42:31] dotix: look like to_h is what I want but that adds the last value
[19:42:43] mustmodify: wait why did it say that was a typo the first time?
[19:43:12] mustmodify: eam: probably best not to do that. Agreed.
[19:43:44] mustmodify: And in general rescuing SyntaxError would be terrible... or using eval. I have some seriously constraints in place. And if I had a better option, I'd take it in a heartbeat. :P
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[19:43:54] mustmodify: Well, other than re-implementing math.
[19:43:58] Gasher: hello, it's Gash here
[19:44:18] Gasher: just wanted to say that we ran out of time so nevermind - we'll do it on Linux tmrw
[19:44:56] jhass: dotix: .reduce({}) {|hash, (key, value)| (hash[key] ||= []) << v }
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[19:45:11] jhass: eh, value
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[19:45:29] jhass: and actually make that each_with_object
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[19:46:52] dotix: well my current versin is Hash.new{ |h,k| h[k]=[] }.tap{ |h| [[1,2], [1,3]].each{ |k,v| h[k] << v } }
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[19:47:28] dotix: which is hideous, and I bet there is a cleaner solution. Each_with_object might work, isn't it something simple hidden somewhere?
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[19:49:07] jhass: mmh, .group_by(&:first).each_value {|values| values.map!(&:last) }
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[19:49:26] jhass: that's destructive to the original though
[19:50:06] mustmodify: jhass: I really hate to ask, but what are you trying to do?
[19:50:25] mustmodify: I missed the first part of this convo
[19:50:25] jhass: mustmodify: got dotix on ignore?
[19:50:49] dotix: mustmodify: me?
[19:51:28] jhass: actually I was wrong, it's not destructive
[19:51:29] mustmodify: no, I'm not ignoring you. I just joined #ruby after you asked your question.
[19:51:35] jhass: no, you didn't
[19:51:43] mustmodify: Oh, well, let me look again then.
[19:51:57] mustmodify: OK it turns out I just can't read.
[19:51:59] mustmodify: So that's nice.
[19:52:10] dotix: Np.. I gave an example, having [[1,2], [1,3]] to {1 => [2,3]} which is not that complicated as my solution
[19:52:17] dotix: so a little puzzle :)
[19:52:20] jhass: anyway, not sure it's any better than .each_with_object({}) {|h, (k, v)| (h[k] ||= []) << v }
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[19:53:03] dotix: There is this #to_h which gives me {1 => 3} and I though I can teach him to not take only the last value but construct an array of values :(
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[19:54:18] dotix: btw jhass in #each_with_value, hash comes second
[19:54:26] dotix: each_with_object sorry
[19:54:33] jhass: sigh right, I'm a bit rusty
[19:54:53] dotix: Anyway, I like it more than Hash.new and tap
[19:54:56] jhass: back to messing with gobject-introspection
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[19:55:03] jhass: yeah, me too
[19:55:14] dotix: Thanks for this. Also the group_by is interesting
[19:55:27] dotix: didn't know you can do that honestly
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[19:59:07] ule: Hi there.. I have a specific question.. therubyracer only works here if I specify the parameter --with-v8-dir=/usr/local/opt/v8-315
[19:59:34] ule: so.. What can I do, to create a kind of symbolic link on the default folder that gem tryies to install if I don't specify that parameter?
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[19:59:59] ule: Anyone knows some trick please?
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[20:00:27] VeryBewitching: ule: Write a shell script.
[20:00:50] baweaver: either that or install node.js
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[20:00:58] baweaver: which will take care of the JS issue.
[20:01:05] ule: VeryBewitching: I just wanna know where's the default folder for v8
[20:01:26] baweaver: then you don't need rubyracer
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[20:02:01] ule: the project I'm working on is using therubyracer
[20:02:24] baweaver: if it's not a hard requirement, that way is easier
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[20:05:55] ule: sudo gem install therubyracer -v '0.12.2'
[20:05:57] ule: this crashes
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[20:06:02] ule: sudo gem install therubyracer -- --with-v8-dir=/usr/local/opt/v8-315
[20:06:05] ule: this works
[20:06:12] ule: doesn't install on the whole system
[20:06:36] ule: anyways.. I'm gonna stop being lazy and I'm gonna read gems documentation
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[20:09:08] ule: gem environment shows some paths
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[20:12:39] ule: brew link --force v8-315
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[20:17:19] havenwood: ule: Can you just drop the gem dep and: brew install node
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[20:18:25] ule: node -v
[20:18:29] ule: I have node
[20:19:16] havenwood: ule: So comment out `gem 'therubyracer'` in your Gemfile file and `bundle`.
[20:19:47] ule: I can't just remove the gem
[20:19:51] ule: I want to install it
[20:20:47] havenwood: Okay. It's not necessary to get it to work since you actually have V8 so you don't need to embed it in Ruby. But if you need to install the gem you need to install the gem!
[20:21:13] ule: An error occurred while installing therubyracer (0.12.2), and Bundler cannot continue.
[20:21:16] ule: Make sure that `gem install therubyracer -v '0.12.2'` succeeds before bundling.
[20:21:19] ule: gem list | grep therubyracer
[20:21:23] ule: therubyracer (0.12.2)
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[20:40:37] dotix: maybe https://github.com/cowboyd/therubyracer/issues/339#issuecomment-151265398 ?
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[20:41:24] dotix: also it's a bad idea to not have gems in your home :(
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