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[02:27:49] adam12: zacts: o/
[02:28:14] zacts: this mruby looks cool. I wonder how different ISO ruby is from ruby-2.*
[02:28:28] zacts: mruby seems cool as a lego brick kind of tool
[02:29:58] adam12: I don't know a ton about it but I am pretty sure Matz wants it to compete with Lua - which is essentially no batteries included. Likely not much comparable Ruby 2 other than syntax / semantics.
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[03:23:26] soulisson: Hi, Can a library be stored on multiple files?
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[03:30:55] shevy: soulisson I don't quite understand your question
[03:31:06] shevy: if you want to know whether you can spread out your code into separate .rb files, then yes you can
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[03:34:00] soulisson: shevy, let's say I want to write a library for cryptography and I implement my algorithms in multiple files, would that be considered a single library or multiple libraries?
[03:34:30] shevy: if they are in the same namespace then you can say that it is a single library
[03:34:42] shevy: but you can literally write down anything into a .rb file
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[03:35:39] soulisson: shevy, thanks
[03:36:00] shevy: you can also do odd things
[03:36:12] shevy: say that your project is called "Duck" and the top namespace is "module Duck"
[03:36:31] shevy: you can add as many other modules too, like "module Tiger" or "module Bear"
[03:36:41] soulisson: shevy, ok, I see
[03:36:50] shevy: then if someone would require your project, say via: require 'duck', the other namespaces will be pulled in too
[03:36:56] shevy: but in general, just keep things simple
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[03:37:46] soulisson: shevy, I felt the need to ask because I mainly with compiled languages like C and CPP and as you know in those languages a library is always a single file
[03:38:25] shevy: yeah, the .so and .a files on linux
[03:38:52] shevy: it's a bit hard to compare it 1:1 to ruby since you don't end up with some binary dump usually, just plain text files
[03:39:03] shevy: unless you have a ruby project that also makes use of C
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[03:39:45] soulisson: shevy, yes, nice, glad ruby works that way :)
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[05:34:29] silverdust: I have date in this format 2016-07-11T14:25:58.000Z and I want to convert to Time. With Time.new('2016-07-11T14:25:58.000Z') I don't get the same date
[05:37:08] shevy: Time.parse '2016-07-11T14:25:58.000Z' # => 2016-07-11 14:25:58 UTC
[05:37:12] shevy: hmm is that the same?
[05:37:47] silverdust: yes. Thanks shevy
[05:39:43] shevy: I could not see any difference but I was not sure, I don't think I have seen a trailing Z there yet
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[08:26:54] jakkn: I'm trying to make a Rakefile multitask for file conversion that takes .yml files to whatever base extension they have. To explain, foo.bar is first transformed to foo.bar.yml, and now I need to go the other way. The thing is, I don't know the base file extensions, so task '.bar' => '.yml' do {} doesn't work. Any ideas?
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[09:19:33] apeiros: shevy, silverdust: Time.parse should be your last resort. this is clearly ISO8601, hence use Time.iso8601 (you have to `require 'time'` for it)
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[10:27:37] jakkn: (repeating a question from 2h ago. Please don't be mad): I'm trying to make a Rakefile multitask for file conversion that takes .yml files to whatever base extension they have. To explain, foo.bar is first transformed to foo.bar.yml, and now I need to go the other way. The thing is, I don't know the base file extensions, so task '.bar' => '.yml' do {} doesn't work. Any ideas?
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[11:23:39] apeiros: jakkn: repeating a question after 2h is fine
[11:24:20] jakkn: apeiros: good to know
[11:24:24] jakkn: any idea?
[11:24:44] jakkn: is the question bad?
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[11:39:04] shevy: jakkn the amount of people who use rake a lot is probably quite low, and most of those who then do are more noobs than experts in rake really
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[11:40:05] jakkn: shevy: ah, that explains it
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[11:40:24] jakkn: it's pretty cool
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[11:43:29] Hanmac: jakkn: there is recent version of it http://docs.seattlerb.org/rake/doc/rakefile_rdoc.html#label-Advanced+Rules
[11:45:04] jakkn: "Any regular expression may be used as the rule pattern."
[11:45:12] jakkn: this explains it
[11:45:18] jakkn: thank you so much
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[12:10:44] apeiros: jakkn: sorry, no, It's just a topic I don't have knowledge from the top of the head
[12:11:44] jakkn: apeiros: np, I got help and think I found the solution now
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[12:21:42] shevy: jakkn now YOU are the rake expert here on #ruby :)))
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[13:54:36] hammond: what is java actually used for or good at.
[13:54:58] hammond: it can't be systems programming because thats C.
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[13:58:52] catphish: >> 20.01 + 0.01
[13:58:53] ruby[bot]: catphish: # => 20.020000000000003 (https://eval.in/606275)
[13:59:03] ruby[bot]: catphish: # => 20.02 (https://eval.in/606276)
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[13:59:59] catphish: float math is weird
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[14:00:28] ruby[bot]: catphish: # => 0.01 (https://eval.in/606277)
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[14:30:40] jakkn: so I have now a Rakefile with two rules, one to make foo.bar into foo.bar.yml, and another to go the other way. It works, yey! But, lo and behold, I now have a circular dependency. Does anyone know a remedy?
[14:34:35] jhass: two rakefiles? :P
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[14:35:04] jhass: rake, as are most build systems, is geared to go from a source to destination format
[14:35:15] jhass: not as a general converter
[14:35:42] jhass: and tbh not sure you need its powers here
[14:36:08] ruby[bot]: -b *!*@99-181-20-181.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net$#ruby-banned
[14:37:00] jhass: case ARGV[0]; when "to_yaml"; ToYaml.convert(Dir["*.bar"]); when "from_yaml"; FromYaml.convert(Dir["*.yml"]); end
[14:37:58] jhass: yml_filename = "#{source}.yml"; bar_filename = File.basename(source, ".yml")
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[14:46:15] jakkn: jhass: I see. Trying to do too much in the same file. You might be right, the initial motivation to do this was I need a way to take a bunch of files to yml and back again, and it needs to be multithreaded execution on both windows and linux.
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[14:51:29] jakkn: I began with separate bash and batch scripts, but it got too cumbersome updating both ends, and in the end it's slow from lack of threading. So I looked into Make and decided instead to go for Rake since having the full power of Ruby available in the build script simplified some algorithms alot.
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[15:02:24] jhass: well I'm saying you're basically fighting rake's DSL at this point, while whipping up a simplistic CLI parser and a small thread pool shouldn't be much more, depending on experience even less work ;)
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[18:20:26] zacts: ruby rocks
[18:20:30] zacts: ruby gems
[18:20:35] zacts: let's s/rocks/gems/
[18:20:44] zacts: because ruby rocks so much it gems
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[18:47:05] soulisson: Hi, the keyword private doesn't work with class methods?
[18:48:12] arup_r: soulisson: use this one http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0.0/Module.html#method-i-private_class_method ...
[18:48:45] arup_r: soulisson: explanation: http://stackoverflow.com/a/4953043/2767755
[18:48:46] Papierkorb: soulisson: another solution is to use 'private' inside a "class << self" block
[18:49:07] arup_r: and yes ^^
[18:50:20] soulisson: what does the "<<" operator means in class << self ?
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[18:51:02] Papierkorb: soulisson: See the top answer of https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2505067/class-self-idiom-in-ruby
[18:51:14] Papierkorb: Looks like it's Stackoverflow Saturday or something
[18:52:07] arup_r: soulisson: there are tons of information on the web of those things you are asking. So "Google" it. :)
[18:52:31] DoctorMonocular: I'm confused about FileUtils.rm_r -- I think it takes an array of paths and clears those path recursively. But I'm seeing weird behavior: I have a directory called `parent`, which contains 2 other directories `a` and `b` plus a file called `index.html` -- I call Dir.glob('parent/*') and I get ['parent/a','parent/b'], I pass that array to FileUtils.rm_r and what happens is that a and b disappear as expected,
[18:52:31] DoctorMonocular: but only index.html is deleted. Why is that happening?
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[18:53:09] DoctorMonocular: er, ALSO index.html is deleted, not "only"
[18:53:44] Papierkorb: DoctorMonocular: so 'parent' contains 'a', 'b' and 'index.html', right? Do you want to remove everything *in* parent/ or parent/ itself?
[18:54:18] DoctorMonocular: Papierkorb: I want to remove parent/a and parent/b, but parent should still be there, and index.html should still be there inside of it
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[18:54:46] Papierkorb: DoctorMonocular: So you want to remove only directories?
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[18:55:11] jhass: DoctorMonocular: Dir.glob("parent/*") would return index.html too
[18:55:23] Papierkorb: DoctorMonocular: try Dir.glob('parent/*/') instead, so with a trailing slash
[18:55:45] DoctorMonocular: jhass: that's what I was guessing, but it's not there in the array?
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[18:55:58] Papierkorb: DoctorMonocular: it must be in the array
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[18:56:19] jhass: ^ you more likely overlooked it or looked at a result where it wasn't there in the first place
[18:56:23] DoctorMonocular: Resetting ./world
[18:56:24] DoctorMonocular: Directories to Clear: ["./world/groups", "./world/references", "./world/story-bible", "./world/summary", "./world/the-world"]
[18:56:30] DoctorMonocular: that's the log from my debugging
[18:56:48] jhass: tells us nothing without the code that produces it
[18:57:14] DoctorMonocular: yeah, so I print that array, then immediately I pass that exact array into FileUtils.rm_r
[18:57:34] jhass: then there never was a index.html in the first place
[18:57:58] DoctorMonocular: I manually copy index.html for testing, then run the code, and it's gone every time
[18:58:15] DoctorMonocular: if I don't run the rm_r line everything stays, including the index.html
[18:59:07] DoctorMonocular: I wouldn't believe me if I were you
[18:59:10] DoctorMonocular: that's why I'm vexed
[18:59:17] Papierkorb: DoctorMonocular: Your globbing matches the .html file too, so it must be in the array and thus will be deleted too
[18:59:23] DoctorMonocular: there must be something dirt basic I'm fucking up, but I don't know what
[18:59:36] jhass: make a gist with your code and terminal transcript proving what you say
[18:59:38] Papierkorb: DoctorMonocular: make sure you don't filter it for output, and that you're not simply overlooking it in the output
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[19:00:07] DoctorMonocular: ok, hang on, I have to refactor a little to make it gistable, one sec
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[19:11:05] DoctorMonocular: ok! I figured it out I think
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[19:11:36] DoctorMonocular: in the process of creating the output I realized that my script is running several times
[19:11:46] DoctorMonocular: so when I start the script index.html exists
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[19:12:02] DoctorMonocular: then in the final run index.html no longer exists, so the log doesn't show it
[19:12:13] DoctorMonocular: but you're right, the original glob run had index.html
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[19:45:26] zacts: hi rubyists
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[19:59:06] soulisson: Hi, if I understand correctly a module is a set of classes, methods, variables, and csts, gathered under the same name?
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[20:02:50] zacts: should I understand concurrency first, or metaprogramming?
[20:02:55] zacts: which would be best to learn first?
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[20:03:46] jhass: zacts: learn the one solving your next actual need
[20:03:57] jhass: soulisson: csts?
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[20:04:12] soulisson: jhass, constants
[20:04:28] jhass: mh, I guess you can say that
[20:04:44] jhass: note that modules and classes are just objects assigned to constants too
[20:05:37] zacts: jhass: probably concurrency then
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[20:18:37] zacts: jhass is ultra cool and helpful usually here, and also shevy, I've noticed
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[20:45:30] shevy: you'll never know!
[20:45:39] shevy: I am more like the Joker in batman
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[20:53:31] leea: what is concurrency in ruby?
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[21:03:27] zacts: leea: I think threads and fibers?
[21:03:38] zacts: but I'll let someone who actually knows answer for us
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[21:04:11] lupine: concurrency isn't necessarily the same as parallelism
[21:05:02] jhass: nobody claimed it was so far?
[21:05:20] jhass: zacts: leea yeah, thread and fiber are the concurrency primitives Ruby offers
[21:05:58] lupine: "in b4", etc
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[21:51:29] leea: zacts I found this http://merbist.com/2011/02/22/concurrency-in-ruby-explained/
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[21:59:52] zacts: jhass: when are threads used, and when are fibers used, (in a nutshell)
[22:01:16] jhass: in ruby use threads when you want the OS to get back to you after some IO you blocked on is available again, use fibers when you want to explicitly control when to switch to another fiber
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[22:08:48] zacts: jhass: in general which is utilized more, threads or fibers?
[22:09:09] jhass: well by end users anyway
[22:09:22] jhass: Enumerator is based on Fiber for example
[22:09:56] zacts: oh interesting, cool. My question was mainly in regards to end users though
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