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[03:05:27] bleep: when writing unit tests, is there a way to have a test that doesn't call the setup function?
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[03:09:45] Nilium: That really depends on how you're doing tests.
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[03:13:08] bleep: Nilium: i'm using test/unit and i have functions like `test "an error is raised if blah blah" do`
[03:13:14] bleep: not much else to add i know off
[03:13:48] bleep: trying to google answer but hard to find
[03:14:44] bleep: i guess i could put them in different classes
[03:14:48] bleep: for the ones that don't need the setup
[03:15:36] Nilium: Without knowing how it works, since I haven't done tests in Ruby, don't know. That seems reasonable.
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[03:53:32] rubynoob: hey guys, i have a noob question regarding hash literals. I see where people are specifying hashes using KEY: 'VALUE' and see others specifying 'KEY' => 'VALUE'. Is one more correct than another
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[04:00:57] rubynoob: hey guys, i have a noob question regarding hash literals. I see where people are specifying hashes using KEY: 'VALUE' and see others specifying 'KEY' => 'VALUE'. Is one more correct than another ?
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[09:28:34] Tyrese: I'm learning ruby and if anyone are doing the same, we could work together.
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[09:29:06] jhass: if you're stuck somewhere just ask, we're here to help
[09:29:22] Tyrese: Okey Dokey!
[09:29:37] Tyrese: Well, I have a question already
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[09:30:01] Tyrese: What is your definition of an ' instance ' ?
[09:31:11] jhass: In Ruby every value is an instance. Instance is largely synonymous to object, a value that is an instance of a/has a class
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[09:36:19] Tyrese: Every value.. hmm. Makes sense. Yes, it is very similar to an object.
[09:39:07] jhass: synonymous for all that matters really
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[10:05:13] al2o3-cr: string concatenation? tentative vote +, <<, concat or iterpolation?
[10:05:29] apeiros_: no silver bullet. depends on context.
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[10:05:53] jhass: most of the time << over += and interpolation over + though
[10:06:34] apeiros: performance-wise, it'll probably be rare that the choice truly matters.
[10:06:46] al2o3-cr: ok, thanks. will go with interpolation then in this case
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[10:10:34] zenspider: al2o3-cr: curve ball: Array#join or String#%
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[10:13:21] shevy: zenspider! you are back
[10:13:38] al2o3-cr: zenspider: i always forget about Array#join for concatenation :)
[10:13:39] zenspider: a bit... yeah. actually had a question on some racket code :)
[10:13:52] zenspider: al2o3-cr: grab benchmark-ips and throw them all in there
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[10:14:11] al2o3-cr: i might just do that
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[12:53:10] thomas_25: I'm trying jruby via rvm but it seems vastly slower to start (say, jekyll). Is that normal?
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[12:53:45] thomas_25: I'm forking a ruby program from by user API and it is the last bottleneck in my chain, so I'm looking for some easy optimizations
[12:54:26] thomas_25: total toolchain was taking 2 minutes, now I've shaved it to 10 seconds and 7 seconds of that is running a ruby program :/
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[13:04:21] jhass: well, jruby boots the JVM
[13:04:28] jhass: that's just kinda slow
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[13:10:03] thomas_25: there could be a option to keep it idle
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[13:14:57] thomas_25: heh, thanks to rvm, it's easy to try implementations, i've tried rubinius, which proved to be wildly slower than official ruby implementation.
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[15:24:15] RubyNewby123: Hi guys, I'm a total ruby noob, struggling with a super basic issue with blocks, would someone being able to help?
[15:25:30] RubyNewby123: Writing a tragically simple text adventure to try and learn but this block thing has me stumped. I can follow tuts which work but when I make a slight deviation to add to my code it falls apart and the error is maddeningly confusing
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[15:26:07] RubyNewby123: https://repl.it/CfX9/0 < here's my snippet the result is "(repl):76: syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting end-of-input ...ss_drawbridge], {puts "hello!"})" which is exactly what I have
[15:27:09] shevy: there are two major different ways to use a block
[15:27:19] shevy: the simpler one is to use {} to the method
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[15:27:30] shevy: in your example the faulty line is: start = Choice.new("Start", "You arrive at the castle entrance.", [cross_drawbridge], { puts "hello!"})
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[15:28:13] shevy: invoke_method('arg1','arg2') { your block here }
[15:28:21] RubyNewby123: shevy: thanks, I'd assumed that but how do I correct?
[15:28:31] RubyNewby123: Ooooh? so the block must come outside of the arguments!?
[15:28:38] shevy: that is one way
[15:29:30] shevy: http://mudge.name/2011/01/26/passing-blocks-in-ruby-without-block.html has a good summary
[15:29:50] shevy: and http://rakeroutes.com/blog/anonymous-blocks-as-function-arguments-in-ruby/
[15:30:07] shevy: in your case you don't seem to need any block or?
[15:30:18] RubyNewby123: oooooh... Coming from c# this is all new to me, I tried that and it runs without error (though doesn't print "hello"), still, this is progress.
[15:30:57] shevy: if you want to get the content of the block, and if you don't use the &variant, you can check via: yielded_part = yield if block_given?
[15:31:24] RubyNewby123: well that was just an illustrative example, the idea behind it was to pass in the player object and a block on how that "choice" affect them, so at one point, they search a corpse and find 5 gold coins and so the player object will be appened
[15:31:50] shevy: blocks are just an extra argument available to every method in ruby but not every method needs to make use of blocks
[15:32:31] shevy: if you already know C# then a lot of the setup of your code will work about 1:1, your class-based design on the sample code is already quite good, definitely not the newbie stage
[15:33:10] RubyNewby123: ah thanks man... I've been so frustrated with myself for not being able to get this, that really means a lot
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[15:34:53] RubyNewby123: basically, where I'm instantiating the "choices", I want to pass in some logic that this choice will have, in c# I would pass a lambda delegate
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[15:36:52] RubyNewby123: I think I had stumbled onto those blog posts you listed before but I will revisit and study them, more confident in their relevance. Thank you so much shevy
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[15:37:35] shevy: well the foo() { block } syntax I find very simple
[15:37:58] shevy: you can see it used in sinatra
[15:38:05] shevy: do/end rather than {}
[15:38:16] shevy: http://www.sinatrarb.com/
[15:38:20] RubyNewby123: yes actually i does print the "hello" as expected,
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[15:38:23] shevy: get '/hi' do
[15:39:30] RubyNewby123: it does indeed seem simple enough now that you mention it. the whole concept of putting a block AFTER the calling params/args is a foreign one to me but now that I know the convention of putting them outside/after, it should be simple going forward
[15:40:27] RubyNewby123: may I ask one more question? It's theoretical and I've really struggled to find an answer on google
[15:41:41] shevy: it is not good to ask whether you can ask. it is better to just ask, someone here can reply
[15:41:46] RubyNewby123: As I'm passing the block parm, to the constructor of my class, could I then assign is to a instance variable? such as @block = block or @block = &block? ...so that I can use it elshwere in the class
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[15:43:13] Zarthus: do you mean getting the result from th e block, or within the block?
[15:43:28] shevy: you can use variables yes
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[15:44:23] shevy: it can become a bit complicated
[15:44:38] shevy: for instance, in one class, I have something like this: class Foo; def initialize; instance_eval(&block) if block_given?; end; end
[15:44:49] RubyNewby123: so in my example, https://repl.it/CfX9/1, I'm calling it in my consturctor but I want to call it in the body of the class eventually, I've read conflicting things about doing this but would like to assign it to an instance variable
[15:45:08] shevy: I also did not comment why I did it there so I have no idea why I am doing it :D
[15:46:49] shevy: yes just assign it
[15:47:07] shevy: in my above example: @foo = yield if block_given?
[15:47:21] shevy: or in your example when you use the variable.call part, for procs
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[15:48:06] RubyNewby123: I must admit, I still feel I'm away off "getting" ruby. I still don't see the appeal but I know this is based on ignorance as senior devs at my workplace (black belts to my blue belt) think it's fantastic, despite being primarily c# devs. To me it seems a bit to fast and loose which I intellectually know is the selling point but don't grasp why that's a good thing yet
[15:48:25] Zarthus: don't worry about it taking some time
[15:48:38] RubyNewby123: that's fantastic help shevy, thank you so much. You've likely saved me hours of frustration. I owe you a beer my man
[15:49:10] RubyNewby123: thanks Zarthus
[15:49:25] shevy: well appeal, you have all the usual way to pass arguments into methods - and on top of it you can also use blocks
[15:49:35] shevy: but just because a feature is available does not need that you need or need to use it
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[15:50:18] shevy: but you already see that you can design very succinct domain specific APIs; rails is a domain-specific language, sinatra is
[15:50:26] shevy: prawn probably is too
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[15:50:43] shevy: Prawn::Document.generate("hello.pdf") do; text "Hello World!"
[15:51:25] shevy: File.open or File.new... one of those two at the least, they make use of blocks meaning they will automatically call .close on the file handle
[15:51:38] RubyNewby123: oh I appreciate that, as I know my example is a completely useless, it is just the product of trying to troubleshoot. So I thought it would be nice to pass the occasionally required logic for each choice as data but this example has lost that concept, all in an effort to get the bare minimum working as expected
[15:53:23] RubyNewby123: actually, there's one more thing I'm struggling with, am I able to reference an instance method of "main" from inside "choices"? or must I pass that as an argument, to inject the dependency
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[15:53:47] RubyNewby123: specifically, I'm talking about the player object. In c# this is trivial but I've had issues here
[15:54:10] shevy: I am sure it is simple in ruby too
[15:54:20] shevy: right now I have no real idea to what part of the code you refer to
[15:54:56] shevy: a lot of your code can be shortened
[15:55:13] shevy: the stray returns should not be necessary either
[15:55:43] shevy: puts "" is equivalent to puts, btw
[15:55:51] RubyNewby123: I'm fascinated...
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[15:56:56] shevy: what do you mean with main?
[15:57:21] RubyNewby123: so specifically, I have a player class and a choices class, just after my player class definition, I've created a new instance of it, I want all instances of my choices class to be able to access the single player instance
[15:57:56] RubyNewby123: I understand that when you define a variable outside of any custom defined class it is actually in a class "main"
[15:58:00] jhass: you could assign it to a constant or global, but it's better to pass it explicitly
[15:58:04] RubyNewby123: I may have misunderstood
[15:58:10] shevy: there are several ways to do this
[15:58:45] shevy: actually jhass mentioned the two main ones that came to my mind :)
[15:58:49] jhass: you also could make Player a singleton class if there's only ever one
[15:59:03] RubyNewby123: jhass: I was reluctant to pass it explicitly as it would have to be done every time, though I considered a wrapper method that would do the work
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[15:59:50] jhass: you could dumb down your Choice class to a mere data holder and have a new class that runs the game logic
[15:59:56] shevy: RubyNewby123 well, you can check if the user passed in a class Player or whether it is a String
[16:00:02] jhass: and says just replaces it's @current_choice variable
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[16:00:22] jhass: and also hold on to the player
[16:00:46] RubyNewby123: I'm not sure I follow
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[16:05:12] RubyNewby123: well either way, you guys have given me a lot to go on... I'll keep tinkering away, thank you so, so, so much
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[16:10:24] jhass: RubyNewby123: hang on a sec
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[16:16:22] jhass: RubyNewby123: I mean like this https://p.jhass.eu/4i.rb
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[16:17:10] jhass: took out the block stuff out again, just to get the idea across
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[16:20:59] RubyNewby123: wow ok, so right away I see you've seperated the concerns more logically, this is fantastic
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[16:21:21] RubyNewby123: I'll need to study some of the other stuff but I think I get what you're doing
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[16:21:32] RubyNewby123: amazing stuff, thank you
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[16:23:02] RubyNewby123: what's "loop do"? Is that some sort of condition-less loop?
[16:23:09] RubyNewby123: sorry that's probably googlable
[16:25:41] Papierkorb: RubyNewby123: It runs an infinite loop, calling the block until the block calls to `break` or `return` or something else which commonly breaks out of a loop
[16:26:29] Papierkorb: RubyNewby123: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.3.0/Kernel.html#method-i-loop
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[16:35:07] RubyNewby123: Papierkorb: understood, thanks
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[16:47:49] shevy: RubyNewby123 it is beauty!
[16:47:56] shevy: look at it
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[17:29:16] shevy: loop is doing a loop
[17:29:44] shevy: this is why I can not relate to Fiber http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Fiber.html
[17:29:46] shevy: Fiber is doing... a fiber
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[17:30:15] jhass: A good way to learn fibers is to reimplement Enumerator
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[17:34:05] drbrain: also a good way to pull all your hair out
[17:35:00] yorickpeterse: That's like saying "A good way to learn how to use a knife is to stab yourself to death"
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[17:41:04] jhass: hey, it's not that hard
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[17:48:01] chrisseaton: Where do people go for capi documentation? I can't seem to find any really
[17:48:07] shevy: yorickpeterse I like that!
[17:48:32] chrisseaton: I can figure most of it out by reading the source, but some of it is a mystery
[17:48:47] drbrain: chrisseaton: like what?
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[17:48:59] chrisseaton: rb_cloexec_fcntl_dupfd is puzzling me at the moment
[17:49:04] drbrain: I think it's easier if you read Japanese because there's some documentation on it
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[17:51:08] drbrain: chrisseaton: what about it?
[17:51:29] drbrain: I think it is a security mechanism to prevent file descriptors of the parent from being passed to child processes
[17:51:30] chrisseaton: what it does basically
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[17:52:21] coe: 174.143.119.91 @simov
[17:52:34] coe: admin !a!
[17:53:25] chrisseaton: drbrain: here we go - Rubinius has it implemented simply as 'return fcntl(fd, F_DUPFD_CLOEXEC, 3);' - that I can understand!
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[18:44:14] bleep: anyone know how I can get fakefs to wipe everything and re-activate?
[18:44:39] bleep: rm / -rf seems dangerous in case fakefs decides to not work or something
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[18:47:27] et09: what's the equivalent of mkdir -p for a ruby Hash? or phrased differently, the setter version of Hash#dig ?
[18:48:12] et09: if any exists
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[18:50:21] bleep: found answer to my question in the fakefs docs no longer available on internet (FakeFS::FileSystem.clear)
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[18:52:12] et09: is it bad practice to map a 3-deep function call across a huge array of hashes? i'm getting very poor performance doing it
[18:52:45] et09: i.e, get a proc that does an inject of an array of procs across a hash, and then map that on the array
[18:53:06] et09: to be specifically actually, these are lambdas
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[18:55:12] toretore: if you showed me the code instead i would understand what you're talking about and probably comment on the issue
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[18:56:03] et09: all dependencies considered, it's a few hundred lines of code, i just gave the "what you need to know" summary
[18:57:00] drbrain: et09: 3 deep could mean O(n**3) but we can't tell that from your description
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[18:57:55] baweaver: >> h = Hash.new { |h,k| h[k] = Hash.new(&h.default_proc) }; h[:a][:b][:c][:d][:e][:f][:g] = 5; h
[18:57:56] ruby[bot]: baweaver: # => {:a=>{:b=>{:c=>{:d=>{:e=>{:f=>{:g=>5}}}}}}} (https://eval.in/611129)
[18:58:22] baweaver: vivified-hash
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[18:59:54] et09: that might help me refactor
[19:00:19] baweaver: as far as the three-deep function, way too vague.
[19:00:58] baweaver: if we s/inject/reduce though and treat it as if you're trying to do functional pipelining on something though
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[19:01:33] et09: that's basically it, just the functions being injected on the hash are basically "recursive_send" on an OpenStruct (recursive_send just being a bunch of .send's piled on top of each other)
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[19:03:16] baweaver: https://github.com/baweaver/streamable/blob/master/lib/streamable.rb
[19:05:11] et09: https://gist.github.com/Marchino/1035291 i just used this
[19:05:30] et09: but this is actually foolish on my part. i should be using OpenStruct#dig
[19:05:32] et09: in most cases
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[19:19:16] jhass: coe: can we help you?
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[19:20:10] coe: Boots Cspid.
[19:20:26] coe: Dont put on me again.
[19:20:49] jhass: do you have a question about ruby?
[19:21:11] coe: give me ruby?
[19:21:21] coe: so that i can put my own.
[19:21:53] coe: BTW who my \nick?
[19:21:53] jhass: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/ there you go
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[19:22:13] coe: BTW who got my \nick?
[19:22:27] jhass: say /whois your_nick
[19:22:28] coe: admin !a!
[19:22:46] coe: _flicflac
[19:23:19] xpitr: meth, not even once
[19:23:26] jhass: there's no such nick on freenode
[19:23:38] jhass: you can change to it with /nick _flicflac
[19:23:47] coe: stop that music?
[19:23:54] coe: i am new to mirc
[19:24:03] coe: from belarus
[19:24:38] jhass: this channel is about the Ruby programming language, your connected to Freenode IRC network. /join #freenode for help with the network
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[19:25:06] coe: what's that language in the music?
[19:25:23] jhass: mirc is just one of many IRC clients and this is not a support channel for it
[19:26:30] toretore: coe: please enter the numbers you see in the image in the text box below
[19:26:45] coe: So what are you here for attack?
[19:26:54] baweaver: Enough. Either take it to ruby-offtopic or freenode
[19:27:18] baweaver: This channel is for Ruby topics
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[19:28:00] coe: 50.207.64.46 @chouhouli 111 90
[19:28:24] coe: Jus,did what you said
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[19:29:10] coe: what's that language?
[19:29:19] coe: In the music
[19:29:34] jhass: we don't hear your music
[19:29:51] baweaver: coe: last chance. #ruby-offtopic for offtopic subjects.
[19:30:04] jhass: coe: I have to ask you to stop being offtopic, /join #ruby-offtopic or /join #freenode and please stop talking here unless you have a question about the Ruby programming language
[19:30:04] coe: ppl told its coming everywhere
[19:30:13] ruby[bot]: +bb coe!*@*$#ruby-banned *!*@182.189.213.31$#ruby-banned
[19:30:13] ruby[bot]: ruby[bot] kicked coe: is a bannable offense, see http://ruby-community.com/pages/user_rules
[19:30:29] ruby[bot]: -bb nathanhiggers!*@*$#ruby-banned *NIGGET*!*@*$#ruby-banned
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[20:45:43] shevy: hmm I missed this talk from matz yet! a month ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB8j-i5x6Hc
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[21:43:26] zacts: hi rubyists
[21:43:41] zacts: I'm all alone at a slow time of chatting, apparently. :-)
[21:43:47] zacts: oh well... people will chat again soon
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[21:45:43] Zarthus: zacts: this isn't really a chatting channel all things considered!
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[22:06:03] shevy: zacts its summer time
[22:06:06] shevy: things are hot
[22:06:18] shevy: and coding during hot temperature here is awful
[22:06:38] zacts: it got to 102 deg Fahr / 38.9 deg Celsius yesterday where I'm at
[22:06:46] zacts: humidity 50% or whatever it was
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[22:20:48] Zarthus: I wrote a thermometer in ruby that always reports the value being at a nice comfy temperature.
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[22:49:46] zacts: shevy: New Mexico USA
[22:50:09] zacts: Zarthus: was this a Ruby + raspberry pi app?
[22:50:15] zacts: that would be neat
[22:50:19] shevy: no wonder you only read books, it's too hot to actually code!!!
[22:50:44] shevy: it would be extreme programming
[22:51:27] Zarthus: zacts: it's a CLI that just runs puts (15..25).to_a.sample
[22:53:22] zacts: shevy: lol
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[22:53:39] zacts: shevy: If I ever get a Ruby job, I should demand twice the pay under these conditions
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[22:58:41] zacts: Ok, I really love this ruby command line apps book by pragmatic press
[22:58:44] zacts: it's nice
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[23:03:29] zenspider: zacts: I saw that in our local nerd bookstore. what do you like about it?
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[23:47:20] zacts: zenspider: it's cool, and accessible to a newbie like myself
[23:47:40] zacts: perhaps it wouldn't be so useful to an experienced programmer who reads lots of doc.
[23:47:46] zacts: but it's a nice tutorial for someone like myself
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