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[00:02:17] kcp: what kind of data structure is commonly used to store user information? Hashes?
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[01:20:30] racest: Is there a ruby development environment for iOS?
[01:20:38] racest: Like an ide of sorts
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[01:21:13] havenwood: racest: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/vim/id492668168
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[03:36:03] HippoDippo: are 2 simple if statements cleaner than using elsif?
[03:36:54] Nilium: I'm guessing both of them return?
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[03:37:14] HippoDippo: Nilium: yes they both do
[03:37:58] baweaver: what's the code?
[03:39:21] HippoDippo: if (x == -1 || y == -1) return 0 end
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[03:39:48] HippoDippo: if (x == 11 || y == 11) return 0 end
[03:40:14] HippoDippo: or should i use elsif?
[03:40:45] baweaver: what's the full code?
[03:41:13] allisio: HippoDippo: `return 0 if [x % 12, y % 12].include? 11` would cover both cases.
[03:43:24] havenwood: return 0 if Set.new([x, y]).intersect? Set.new([-1, 11])
[03:43:48] baweaver: remember 0 isn't false in Ruby
[03:43:58] ruby[bot]: havenwood: # => true (https://eval.in/756578)
[03:44:46] havenwood: ([x, y] & [-1, 11]).any?
[03:45:40] allisio: HippoDippo: Use 24-hour time like a civilized creature.
[03:46:41] HippoDippo: allisio: not sure i understand what you mean.
[03:47:01] allisio: HippoDippo: I tried to trick you into telling us what you're trying to do.
[03:49:08] HippoDippo: allisio: Ahh i see. Super secret
[03:49:58] allisio: We appreciate your lack of cooperation.
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[03:51:31] HippoDippo: allisio: Joking aside, the code is a method that maps a continent, or in this case, an 11x11 array of arrays.
[03:51:54] allisio: HippoDippo: Ah, bounds checking, then.
[03:53:12] HippoDippo: allisio: bounds checking? bounds as in boundaries right?
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[03:53:18] allisio: Consider putting dummy cells around the edge and iterating from 1...dimension instead.
[03:53:32] allisio: Yeah, but if you do ^, you get to skip the special-casing at the edges.
[03:53:48] allisio: For lots of grid-based things, anyway; maybe yours is different.
[03:55:00] Renich: allisio: thanks for the suggestions
[03:57:01] HippoDippo: allisio: dummy cells?
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[03:58:45] allisio: HippoDippo: Yeah, like a "buffer" so you don't have to handle "north of (0, 0)" being (0, -1) and mucking everything up.
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[04:01:19] HippoDippo: allisio: Ahh ok. thanks
[04:03:29] HippoDippo: allisio: Also, do you often find yourself extending ruby's core classes? Or is that a no no?
[04:03:55] HippoDippo: I believe its called "Monkey-Patching"
[04:03:58] allisio: HippoDippo: That's a pretty big no-no, but it still gets done fairly often in certain circles.
[04:04:34] allisio: Probably try not to, and see if the Refinements mechanism suits your use case if you're really keen.
[04:05:36] bungoman_: I once made a whole thing out of monkey patching Array to provide statistical methods. It was pretty useful.
[04:06:26] HippoDippo: allisio: Ok i'll look into that. I havent learnt Rails yet, but ive heard they do it as well.
[04:06:50] allisio: HippoDippo: They do, but you pretty much always have to opt in.
[04:06:56] bungoman_: ActiveSupport does it all over the place
[04:07:19] HippoDippo: allisio: ahh ok.
[04:07:22] allisio: And indeed `require 'activesupport'` was the opting-in I had in mind. :P
[04:07:34] HippoDippo: bungoman_: and i look at that thanks
[04:07:43] bungoman_: It can be useful. But it's really easy to get in the habit of using .blank? on everything which is a definite smell.
[04:08:25] bungoman_: https://github.com/rails/rails/tree/master/activesupport/lib/active_support/core_ext <-- here's the core extensions
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[04:12:12] HippoDippo: when i first heard of monkey patching, i thought it sounded awesome. being able to change things to suit your needs
[04:12:38] HippoDippo: But im sure it can go very wrong if not careful
[04:14:03] bungoman_: Sometimes it's the easiest solution for a problem, but even if is you should strongly consider not doing it. There's almost always a better way.
[04:15:12] HippoDippo: Did anything go wrong for your statistical methods?
[04:15:52] bungoman_: No, because I was using them in a project where I could control all of the input myself.
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[04:18:31] HippoDippo: If each of you had to choose one particular thing about Ruby that was your favorite, what would it be?
[04:19:15] bungoman_: It's very enjoyable to write. And to read.
[04:20:43] bungoman_: "Instead of emphasizing the what, I want to emphasize the how part: how we feel while programming. That's Ruby's main difference from other language designs. I emphasize the feeling, in particular, how I feel using Ruby." - Matz
[04:21:31] bungoman_: Every time I think about what my idea non-lispy language looks like I always end up with something that's basically Ruby but maybe with the pattern matching of Erlang/Elixir.
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[04:23:24] HippoDippo: bungoman_: Well said. Erlang is definitely a language i am eager to learn
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[04:24:24] bungoman_: It's worth learning if for no other reason than to make you question the necessity of explicit if/else conditionals.
[04:24:44] allisio: HippoDippo: The language gives you all the footguns your arsenal can accommodate and then some, and it's a nice feeling when they're not all going off at the same time.
[04:24:54] allisio: Ruby, to clarify.
[04:25:57] HippoDippo: allisio: Well put.. or 'puts'. Get it?
[04:26:04] allisio: Jokes aside, I think bungoman_ hit it square-on.
[04:26:14] allisio: HippoDippo: I Ruby what you did there.
[04:27:16] HippoDippo: allisio: Hash you very much.
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[04:28:52] allisio: The trouble with monkey-patching is that, while this (https://eval.in/756581) might be a perfectly reasonable definition of String#expand, somebody using your thing might have an even better definition befitting the problem they're trying to solve.
[04:29:06] allisio: If they define theirs, then load your library, they're in for a bad time.
[04:29:45] allisio: Theirs probably won't have binoculars, though.
[04:31:53] bungoman_: File.readlines is my second favorite thing about Ruby.
[04:33:05] bungoman_: I can't even count the amount of time I've saved over the last decade or so because of that method.
[04:34:55] bungoman_: The fact it's just there, out of the box, no require required, is kind of a huge deal.
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[04:39:47] HippoDippo: bungoman_: Your referring to the expand method?
[04:40:23] bungoman_: https://ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.0/IO.html#method-c-readlines
[04:42:22] bungoman_: It's such a common task, and every other language makes it a chore. Python and Rust are the only two I can think of off the top of my head that seem to at least try to make it easy, but they still require more than one method call.
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[04:45:10] bungoman_: Of course when I want to double check and make sure I didn't just say something that's totally untrue rosettacode is broken.
[04:45:46] HippoDippo: have you coded in python much?
[04:45:58] bungoman_: http://web.archive.org/web/20161024150919/http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Read_a_file_line_by_line
[04:46:24] bungoman_: A little, only small toy things though, definitely not enough to put on my resume.
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[10:47:13] leitz: Any idea why the Match fails to "fail" when the string is only 6 xdigit characters? https://github.com/LeamHall/CT_Character_Generator/blob/multi_career/features/step_definitions/chargen_steps.rb#L22
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[11:05:03] Mon_Ouie: What do you mean by fail to fail? It should just return nil
[11:05:32] Mon_Ouie: Also don't you mean [[:xdigit:]]?
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[11:31:01] leitz: Mon_Ouie, it shouldn't work if the match calls for 9 digits and there is only six.
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[11:32:11] Mon_Ouie: What would "not work" mean specifically? match never raises an exception, it just returns nil instead of a MatchData instance
[11:33:07] leitz: Ah, so I need to "fail" if there's a nil return? Let me go poke at it.
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[11:35:09] leitz: Yep, that works! Thanks!
[11:35:26] leitz: Now I have to figure out the new syntax, it doesn't like "should".
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[11:40:22] leitz: And done. Cool...
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[12:48:35] Kimryd: Greetings
[12:48:49] Kimryd: goddamn 850 people.....
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[13:26:24] Kimryd: I'm just starting with ruby, as in I have about 15 minutes of experience. I'm trying to run a simple 3 line thing. It will ask for my name, I enter my name, and then it prints my name
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[13:26:41] Kimryd: It starts fine but once I enter my name and hit enter, ruby just closes on me
[13:26:55] Kimryd: I ran the lines on repl.it and it works fine there
[13:28:50] elomatreb: Kimryd: Post your code (preferrably on gist.github.com), or we can't help you
[13:29:35] Papierkorb: Kimryd: What platform are you running on? Linux, Windows, ...?
[13:30:29] Kimryd: elomatreb, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/9ef45492742e9439b85cbd3415631189
[13:30:43] Kimryd: Papierkorb, I'm on windows 10 and using vs code (if that matters)
[13:31:03] elomatreb: Your code looks OK. How do you run it?
[13:31:12] Papierkorb: Kimryd: Yes, windows' CMD will close immediately after the program returned. Try adding `sleep 5` or so at the end.
[13:31:28] elomatreb: Or another gets, to wait for keyboard input
[13:32:04] Kimryd: using the terminal in vs code, I do ./potato.rb, ruby shows up
[13:32:19] Kimryd: alright 1 sec
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[13:34:32] Kimryd: ayyy that's what I'm sayan
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[13:34:40] Kimryd: Thank you, sleep 5 did the trick
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[13:35:08] Kimryd: I think I'll use linux for this instead (I dual boot) because I can see that command prompt closing becoming mighty infuriating
[13:35:29] Papierkorb: Kimryd: Linux is a much better platform for programming than Windows not only because of that
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[13:36:57] Papierkorb: Well, a proper shell, tools, repository management for the whole system, not MS, proper namespacing, runs anywhere, free software, ...
[13:37:03] elomatreb: If you're on Windows 10, you could try the new Linux subsystem. I found it good enough to try small Ruby scripts on Windows
[13:37:30] Kimryd: Oh yeah I heard about that but I don't know anything about it
[13:37:53] Kimryd: I only use windows 10 for music production and metal gear.... so, I spend most of my time in linux
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[14:01:06] llua: >> format 's%sak%s\n', 'n' * 14, 'e' * 7
[14:01:07] ruby[bot]: llua: # => "snnnnnnnnnnnnnnakeeeeeee\\n" (https://eval.in/756712)
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[18:02:08] mc_fail: ho do I include yaml-config to the gem?
[18:02:32] mc_fail: i mean, i can include it indeed, but how do I set path tho it in my app?
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[19:07:28] hxegon_AFK: mc_fail: The way you phrased the question is a bit confusing, could you try again? Are you trying to require a gem in your app? are you trying to add a gem as a dependency?
[19:07:39] hxegon: whoops, not afk anymore :)
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[21:37:38] mitrek: out of curiosity
[21:37:56] mitrek: what happens when ruby compare two strings (boolean context)
[21:38:22] mitrek: like: print smallstringer > giganticstring
[21:38:29] mitrek: is the ascii value?
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[21:39:08] PurityLake: Hi all, was wondering if you guys have some advice on writing gems? I want to write a gem that uses http/https and eventually other protocols. Have any of you made your own gems and if so what were the pitfalls you found while making it
[21:42:24] mitrek: print "testing bot" > "bot"
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[22:08:15] petems: Hi all, I'm trying to figure out an issue with a segfault in Ruby on OSX... but I don't know where to start
[22:08:29] petems: anyone got any pointers? https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/13327
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[22:24:30] manveru: seems to happen here: `4 libaspell.dylib 0x000000010e3711d0 _ZN7acommon7Convert7convertEPKciRNS_6StringE + 4`
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[22:28:33] petems: manveru: yeah, is there a way of digging into whats actually happening there?
[22:28:44] petems: I'm assuming thats the assembly line from the c library?
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[22:40:41] manveru: well, it looks like a C++ mangled function name
[22:40:49] manveru: but i may be wrong
[22:41:08] manveru: possibly a version mismatch of aspell?
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[23:05:44] petems: Both are the same version according to -v:
[23:05:46] petems: @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.7-20110707)
[23:05:53] petems: @(#) International Ispell Version 3.1.20 (but really Aspell 0.60.7-20110707)
[23:06:04] petems: It doesnt happen on Ubuntu
[23:06:51] manveru: well, i'd file a bug on ffi-aspell project
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