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[00:02:31] cahoots: hi, i'm trying to install a gem, thor, from a relative path. so i try "require_relative './gems/gems/thor-0.19.4/lib/thor.rb'", but then it tells me, "LoadError: cannot load such file -- thor/base". any ideas?
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[00:11:04] ineb: cahoots: its messy the way you do it. use a gemfile, put your local gem there with "gem 'thor', :path => '/your/local/gem'" then require it in your app normally by "require 'thor'"
[00:12:27] ineb: btw. using Gemfiles means using Bundler
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[05:34:08] cerulean: guys you're gonna love my new ruby project
[05:34:15] cerulean: it's a floppy disk reader
[05:34:24] cerulean: File.open support for floppy disks
[05:34:35] cerulean: bring back the memories of the 80s while slowly accessing slow files in a slow language
[05:35:23] cerulean: if you want you can forkbomb yourself while you run it and see if you EVER get the files, LOL !
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[05:38:35] havenwood: cerulean: What? No. That's not how things work at all. Learn the language rather than ranting about it.
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[05:39:52] havenwood: cerulean: Ruby has supported file access to floppy drives since 1995. You're way late. It was never slow.
[05:39:53] cerulean: i know the language, and every day is april fools here, but i guess maybe i can share my blog post i made about my rails upgrade i made today .. tho i dont know if this is the place :P *silly happy face*
[05:40:17] cerulean: yea floppy drives and ruby are fast, just joking
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[05:40:35] havenwood: They read faster than I do.
[05:40:41] cerulean: ive been optimizing ruby code for years, you gotta believe me, i dont honestly think it is slow. didnt know floppies werent slow with ruby tho
[05:40:51] cerulean: its a short article
[05:41:08] cerulean: if you use sprockets and wanna switch to webpack it might be kinda useful in addition to the existing docs
[05:41:15] havenwood: cerulean: I saw in #rubyonrails. Rails 5, webapck, rgr.
[05:41:19] cerulean: might be able to use it to update rails/webpacker docs
[05:41:38] havenwood: Always nice to hone Rails docs. Lots and lots of folk use em.
[05:42:50] cerulean: yes, i usually never help (usually meaning never) with docs unless i need them personally. but since this was so hard and lasted 24 hours of upgrade. i decided to talk about what i went through in order to ease the transition for other sites. since there were only about 4-5 blog posts i could find including official docs and i was still relatively lost a long way, especially with weird chrome JS errors at e
[05:42:56] cerulean: very corner. but they can all be conquered with the grail i have delivered there. lol
[05:43:14] cerulean: i went to sleep while my site was STILL down lol, and then had to wake up and keep fixing for a foor 4-5 hours lol
[05:44:12] cerulean: i knew it was gonna be too hard and i was too tired and didnt wanna push after a full 12 hour coding spree
[05:44:23] cerulean: never had to do that before
[05:44:42] cerulean: i simply wanted to add webpack quick and deploy something i made to production. didnt work out like that lol
[05:46:04] cerulean: there's probably a severe decline in the Ballmer peak when you turn into a zombie, lol
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[05:48:06] cerulean: if making recommendations for updating rails/webpacker docs. only the docs there and http://pixelatedworks.com/articles/embracing-change-rails51-adopts-yarn-webpack-and-the-js-ecosystem/ really helped
[05:48:24] cerulean: very many bad approachs around
[05:48:32] cerulean: that predate webpacker for instance
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[11:04:07] soanvig: Anybody here?
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[11:06:16] soanvig: Am I doing something wrong?
[11:06:25] soanvig: Nobody's answering...
[11:09:11] soanvig: I'm new to IRC but it seems majority of people just have it open, and don't sit here 24/7 :)
[11:10:49] go|dfish: soanvig: hello
[11:11:07] nobodyzxc: soanvig: nobody answered
[11:11:27] soanvig: nobodyzxc: :D
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[11:12:42] soanvig: I'm tired of Messenger-like communicators, and wanted to check something new. Well, if I have anything interesting about Ruby, I'll surely write/ask here
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[11:14:05] soanvig: Once I had had a question about people's Ruby code style, but I forgot what was it about...
[11:14:35] soanvig: You mean what?
[11:14:50] soanvig: Oh, in code style?
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[11:21:37] xpitr: most of ruby code is horribly wrong with 2-space space tabs :/
[11:22:35] j416: what's a space tab o_O
[11:24:02] ljarvis: a tab that's travelling the universe
[11:24:24] xpitr: <- i mean soft tab? or w/e its called. where people without actual tab key on their keyboards press space twice
[11:24:35] xpitr: and seems to be all to common in ruby libs etc
[11:24:37] ljarvis: so 2 spaces
[11:24:38] j416: you mean two spaces
[11:24:50] ljarvis: but yeah, that's very common in ruby land
[11:24:56] j416: 2 spaces seems common in ruby yeah
[11:25:04] ljarvis: but not by pressing space twice
[11:25:14] j416: I indent with 2 spaces when writing ruby
[11:25:19] j416: seems normal
[11:25:23] ljarvis: me too, but i do it by pressing tab
[11:25:25] xpitr: i wanted to start a kickstarter campaign to send those poor coders a keyboard with tab key ...
[11:25:43] j416: xpitr: it's not about tab key or not
[11:25:52] j416: xpitr: it's about convention
[11:25:56] j416: in ruby land, 2 spaces is common
[11:25:59] xpitr: i know i know. i just hate that convention :p
[11:26:04] j416: in other places, tabs are common
[11:26:08] ljarvis: "people without an actual tab key on their keyboard" -- what kind of devil keyboard is that
[11:26:18] xpitr: ruby keyboard apparently!
[11:26:25] ljarvis: no, we press tab
[11:26:35] ljarvis: but the editor knows we want 2 spaces
[11:26:39] ljarvis: because we're not monsters
[11:26:52] xpitr: real men use real tabs
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[11:27:52] ljarvis: i'll ignore the gender specific comment, but the tabs vs spaces debate is long and unforgiving. Just use what you like and have fun :)
[11:28:28] xpitr: aww man i was hoping to fire some stakes ;)
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[11:29:58] xpitr: on the other hand, at least no one is trying to hard-enforce coding style like in golang (even though golang's perfect for me)
[11:31:02] ljarvis: i wouldn't say it's hard-enforced since gofmt is optional. That said, I think having a tool like that is great and would welcome something like that for Ruby (if it was there from the beginning though)
[11:31:30] ljarvis: if such a tool existed, it would undoubtedly remove all of those pesky tabs and replace them with 2 spaces :)
[11:31:37] xpitr: i mean, most editors you'd use will integrate gofmt if you install any go specific plugins, packages and whatnot
[11:31:53] xpitr: so its pretty preeetty enforcing
[11:32:09] ljarvis: fair comment. I think that's good
[11:32:29] ljarvis: to a degree anyway
[11:33:00] ljarvis: Go is the perfect language for it though, imo it's simple and very boring. Very few nuances and almost always 1 way to do something. The opposite to Ruby, really
[11:33:19] elomatreb: rubocop can autoformat, but it allows you specify your own style
[11:33:34] j416: didn't know it could
[11:33:43] j416: I might use that when I get back to ruby
[11:33:48] j416: s/when/if/
[11:34:04] ljarvis: i've been meaning to build rubycop into our process at work for a long time :-/
[11:36:15] j416: been there
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[11:36:23] j416: I think it's an unwinnable game
[11:36:32] j416: ultimately there will be differing opinions
[11:37:12] ljarvis: that's why i've been putting it off, because i would need to configure it quite a lot. We having a basic coding styleguide at work
[11:37:14] elomatreb: It has a functionality that can generate exceptions for all existing files in a project, so you can start to enforce rules for new code and remove the exceptions as you refactor old stuff
[11:37:22] j416: the style that gofmt uses is externally dictated, I think that's one reason why it works so well
[11:37:45] ljarvis: you can dictate the style though, you just have to faff around with config for a while
[11:37:50] ljarvis: which is.. annoying, but maybe worth it
[11:38:02] j416: that's the issue; _you_ become the dictator
[11:38:36] j416: which might work if you own the project
[11:38:47] j416: otherwise you'll end up with multiple dictators
[11:39:05] ljarvis: maybe that's not such a bad thing when you manage a team of developers though, at least trying to keep the style semi-consistent. Agreeing on that style can still be a democracy
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[11:39:31] j416: having the same style is important; agreed
[11:39:47] elomatreb: Consistent style > "the right" style
[11:39:49] j416: getting there is hell
[11:39:57] ljarvis: right, agreed
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[11:41:57] soanvig: Hi! Is there a way to display chat history?
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[11:42:58] j416: soanvig: see the logs link in the topic
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[12:13:51] soanvig: Back to the tabs-spaces topic: It's more about that space width is known (character width), and tab's size is unknown.
[12:14:37] soanvig: I can set tab size to "4 chars", other guy to "8 chars" (because he uses spaces and doesn't care about tab size), and my tabbed code will look awful on his configuration
[12:15:13] soanvig: See github. They have pretty large tab size set on website.
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[12:21:28] soanvig: Nevermind.
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[12:23:37] Papierkorb: soanvig: That is a misconception about tabs. Tabs do not have this issue, as tabs are only used for indention, not for alignment
[12:25:31] Papierkorb: soanvig: on the other hand, someone decided that "2 spaces" is the perfect case and forced it upon everyone. I also use 2 spaces, but I don't like it.
[12:27:07] soanvig: Papierkorb: I find soft tabs of size 2 perfectly readable, so I don't bother. On the other hand I prefer 4-spaces indent in HTML, due to it's low readability.
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[12:28:16] soanvig: Papierkorb: Of course tabs are not used for alignment, but the code may *look* badly with tabs. With spaces it will look the same on each configuration.
[12:28:51] Papierkorb: It will not look badly, as the user chose to set the tabs to equal 8 spaces, or 4 spaces, or whatever. to the user it will look great.
[12:28:52] Mon_Ouie: Maybe tabs should not be used for alignment, but they definitely are
[12:29:19] soanvig: Papierkorb: This may the point actually...
[12:29:27] soanvig: be the point*
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[12:30:35] soanvig: What's bad about spaces anyway? They give more flexibility if one really wants to align line of code in specific way
[12:30:58] Papierkorb: you don't use tabs for alignment anyway, so that's fine in any case
[12:31:19] Papierkorb: a modern text editor/IDE should be able to do the right thing and use spaces there
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[12:33:13] soanvig: Presumably - yes. I couldn't get my Sublime Text to do this kind of operations (like proper indentantion of <variable = if \n else \n end>)
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[12:34:09] soanvig: Then I need to do something like <2 tabs> (8 spaces) <backspace> (-1 space) to get indentation of 7 spaces.
[12:34:38] soanvig: Maybe this is the bad example but You know what I mean
[12:34:41] Papierkorb: you mean alignment?
[12:35:10] Papierkorb: You tell your editor that you want to align to 7 spaces. it should notice that when you're in a Hash or so, that you want the next line to be aligned accordingly
[12:35:32] Papierkorb: The typing experience doesn't change at all
[12:36:04] soanvig: The first line however needs to be made by hand.
[12:36:53] Papierkorb: sounds like a configuration thing, almost all editors I tried do that automatically for the first line too
[12:37:06] Papierkorb: just type `{`, hit enter, and it'll auto align
[12:39:01] soanvig: Yup, they do indent `{` thing, but sometimes I want to align blocks of code in unusual way. Then soft tabs works good, because I can "shorten" one of the tabs by one space, in example.
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[12:43:39] soanvig: Paperkorb: Well, thanks for the discussion. You made my journey more interesting. I'm leaving the bus now. Good bye!
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[23:35:34] fschuindt: Folks, I am looping over gets (small CLI personal use gem), but I am getting ^M when I press enter and ^? when I press backspace. Any clue?
[23:36:05] pwnd_nsfw: Not without any code
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[23:37:07] pwnd_nsfw: Or demonstration, or yano. Relevant information. Can't read minds
[23:37:19] fschuindt: I know it's related with TTY, the code is really just a loop over a gets.choomp case statement.
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