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[00:02:00] baweaver: Tohuw: 'nope'.gsub!(/foo/, '') # => nil
[00:02:05] baweaver: beware of that.
[00:02:21] baweaver: most bang methods return nil if they don't match / do something
[00:03:19] ineb: /query Papierkorb
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[00:38:57] tohuw: baweaver: great call-out, thanks!
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[05:40:06] radial: how can i do something for each element except the last one in an array, and do something different for the last one?
[05:41:02] havenwood: radial: *head, tail = array
[05:41:27] havenwood: no prob, you're welcome
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[05:43:49] baweaver: havenwood waits for poor unsuspecting newbies to come in with questions
[05:45:36] havenwood: ACTION pounces
[05:45:57] firebird: ACTION is a 'newbie' with no questions, but waves hello \o
[05:46:05] havenwood: firebird: hi!
[05:46:10] baweaver: Wanna chat ruby anyways firebird ?
[05:47:30] firebird: I've been playing with ruby lately as I have the ambition to replace the python irc bots I run with ruby (using cinch). Ruby seems to grok with my brain a bit easier, still a long ways off but I'm working at it :)
[05:47:51] baweaver: well we're around if you have questions
[05:50:41] firebird: baweaver, great, thanks. :) For the use case of one of the bots I was pleasantly surprised with the cinch plugins already out there that people created (that bot has more basic needs than another one I run)
[05:51:20] firebird: been plugging away at putting it all together and getting the correct configuration sorted, and thus of course learning more about it along the way.
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[06:23:40] warrshrike: need a little help
[06:23:57] warrshrike: so levinshtein is an algorithm that gives 'difference' between two strings
[06:24:22] warrshrike: i.e. number of additions, deletions needed to make them same
[06:24:34] warrshrike: heres an example https://github.com/dbalatero/levenshtein-ffi
[06:24:58] warrshrike: now strings are made of characters which implement == method
[06:25:29] warrshrike: i want to run levishtein on arrays of type "Node'; node class overloads ==
[06:25:45] warrshrike: so you can do node == node => true/false
[06:25:50] warrshrike: any idea how id do this?
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[06:32:33] baweaver: Break Levenshtein into its component pieces
[06:32:47] baweaver: what operations does it perform to get the distance between two strings?
[06:33:36] baweaver: because if you count Damerau in there as well you get transposition in addition to the three base operations distinguishing distance.
[06:34:42] baweaver: == is strict equality which means that they're the same
[06:34:55] baweaver: that doesn't really get the distance, making that an odd statement
[06:35:11] baweaver: Strings are made of strings by the way. 'a' is still a string in Ruby.
[06:35:35] baweaver: def ==(other) self.something(other) end
[06:35:41] baweaver: is how you'd define an overload
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[06:38:34] warrshrike: baweaver: right so i mentioned == because i assumed it responded to to equality like strings the levinshtein implementation might work without modification
[06:38:47] warrshrike: whats a damerau?
[06:39:10] baweaver: Typical Levenshtein is comprised of three operations
[06:39:18] baweaver: Damerau added one more
[06:40:20] baweaver: If you don't define a == method it'll just grab the one from Object
[06:40:26] baweaver: &ri Object#==
[06:40:27] `derpy: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.4.1/BasicObject.html#method-i-3D-3D
[06:40:52] warrshrike: okay yeah but the one from object will give a nonsensical result
[06:41:06] warrshrike: hmm okay so i think this guy explains it better
[06:41:13] warrshrike: http://devnull.absolventa.de/2015/11/24/exploring-levenshtein-algorithm-with-ruby/
[06:41:26] warrshrike: im thinking to grab his code and modify it for my type instead of strings
[06:41:33] warrshrike: that sound good?
[06:41:47] baweaver: Give it a shot
[06:41:58] baweaver: I'd write some tests to verify it works and run it through Guard
[06:42:10] baweaver: that way you can keep a command line open on the side to see whether it's working in real time
[06:42:31] baweaver: https://github.com/guard/guard-rspec
[06:43:03] warrshrike: wow guard seems cool ive never used it before
[06:43:05] baweaver: Whenever I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing I write out the expected case first and keep factoring away until I get green lights
[06:43:46] baweaver: I skip between TDD, RDD, and JGIDDD
[06:44:11] baweaver: Repl driven (pry), Just get it done driven
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[06:45:07] warrshrike: il be honest though testing really feels like a drag
[06:45:11] warrshrike: esp at first
[06:45:18] warrshrike: having to write tests before code etc
[06:45:26] warrshrike: seems very...strange
[06:45:37] warrshrike: i guess it saves pain down the line so...
[06:45:42] baweaver: I do it whenever I know exactly what I want but not how to do it
[06:45:51] baweaver: REPL is when I have jack all clue
[06:46:16] warrshrike: yeah i mostly use repl too
[06:46:25] warrshrike: tho that^ sounds like a good rule of thumb
[06:46:32] baweaver: pry --gem is great
[06:46:40] baweaver: loads the entire path with it
[06:47:28] baweaver: Damerau added transposition to the equation, for reference
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[09:01:49] acalycine: How do I return a value from an each block?
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[09:04:25] acalycine: Code: https://gist.github.com/c10c19513f8f299eda8e64e229b965d8
[09:04:36] acalycine: gameid is what I want to access outside of that each loop.
[09:04:42] acalycine: I haven't coded Ruby in a bit, sorry.
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[09:51:59] Papierkorb: &ri Enumerable#find acalycine
[09:52:00] `derpy: acalycine: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.4.1/Enumerable.html#method-i-find
[09:52:23] acalycine: Ah, that returns the value.
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[10:44:44] naftilos76: Does anybody know a tool that can validate CSS property values?
[10:44:55] naftilos76: In ruby i mean...
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[10:55:28] warrshrike: def method(first:, second:)
[10:55:36] warrshrike: what does the : after first mean here?
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[11:33:59] apeiros: warrshrike: it means that it's a keyword-argument, not a positional one. and since no default is given, it also means it's required.
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[11:57:03] warrshrike: apeiros: yeah got it
[11:57:17] warrshrike: also when does float division give nan?
[11:58:22] warrshrike: is it only qhwn 0/0
[11:58:44] warrshrike: are is it possible to get NaN in some other case too?
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[12:03:58] apeiros: there are a couple of mathematical operations which have an undefined result and therefore give nan (or domain error, like 0/0, only 0/0.0 will give nan)
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[12:04:57] apeiros: google is probably a better source for operations resulting in nan than my memory ;-)
[12:05:34] apeiros: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaN#Operations_generating_NaN
[12:06:22] warrshrike: gotcha thanks!
[12:06:33] warrshrike: the others seem unlikely so in my app its like div by zero
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[17:52:28] sharkyshark: what does this regex mean? / (?i-mx:driving layup)/
[17:52:43] sharkyshark: what is the (?-mx:
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[17:55:34] sharkyshark: guess no one works on sundays
[17:58:13] havenwood: sharkyshark: "m" for Regexp::MULTILINE and "x" for Regexp::EXTENDED.
[17:58:34] havenwood: sharkyshark: They're Regexp options.
[17:59:29] havenwood: sharkyshark: You have Regexp::IGNORECASE set and the other two not.
[17:59:35] havenwood: The "i" one.
[17:59:55] sharkyshark: ohhh, thats what the dash is for
[17:59:56] havenwood: >> Regexp.union /x/i, /y/
[18:00:02] ruby[bot]: havenwood: I'm terribly sorry, I could not evaluate your code because of an error: NoMethodError:undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass
[18:00:13] havenwood: #=> /(?i-mx:x)|(?-mix:y)/
[18:00:14] sharkyshark: so if it just read / (?imx):stuff/
[18:00:21] sharkyshark: then it would be all three turned on
[18:00:27] havenwood: sharkyshark: all three off
[18:00:46] sharkyshark: hmm you sure? seems like they'd all be on there
[18:00:57] havenwood: sharkyshark: left of the dash on, right off
[18:00:58] havenwood: see example above
[18:01:17] sharkyshark: yeah thats what i wrote... i had no dash in my example, so all on
[18:01:38] havenwood: sharkyshark: Your example: i-mx
[18:02:07] sharkyshark: oh yeah i just wrote another one out here, / (?imx):stuff/, in this spot all three would be turned on yeah
[18:02:08] havenwood: sharkyshark: Your example wasn't: -mix
[18:02:23] havenwood: sharkyshark: yeah, if it's -mix
[18:02:36] sharkyshark: wouldnt all three be off then? cause they would be right of the dahs?
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[18:02:57] havenwood: that's all off
[18:03:08] havenwood: >> Regexp.union /x/i, /y/mix
[18:03:10] ruby[bot]: havenwood: # => /(?i-mx:x)|(?mix:y)/ (https://eval.in/836440)
[18:03:15] havenwood: sharkyshark: ^
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[18:10:59] kamilkucharski: Hello! I have a question about ruby spec. In reference documentation we have ceil with argument for Integer class (http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.4.1/Integer.html#method-i-ceil), but in ruby spec we haven't any test for that (https://github.com/ruby/spec/blob/master/core/integer/ceil_spec.rb). Now my question: why? Should be there? Or maybe ruby spec should pass since 1.9
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[18:36:12] newage1: i need to order meth, alphabay is down. where do i go?
[18:36:22] adaedra: !troll newage1
[18:36:22] ruby[bot]: +bb newage1!*@*$#ruby-banned *!*@tor-relay.zwiebeltoralf.de$#ruby-banned
[18:36:22] ruby[bot]: ruby[bot] kicked newage1: is a bannable offense, see http://ruby-community.com/pages/user_rules
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[21:26:41] foamz: hello, does anyone have a source for this repo anywhere: https://github.com/Beakr/bot
[21:27:03] foamz: its in one of my bundle files and it seems to have been deleted from github
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[23:14:53] bonhoeffer: what is the latest version of rails
[23:15:28] Papierkorb: ?rails bonhoeffer
[23:15:29] ruby[bot]: bonhoeffer: Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
[23:15:43] bonhoeffer: sorry -- wrong room
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