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[02:06:21] imode: is there any way to test a gem without really installing it?
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[02:09:20] ledestin: what's the problem with installing?
[02:10:00] imode: just wondering to be honest. I was interested if I could just do some kind of requirement and have it automatically fetch the gem and throw it into a temporary directory for the duration of the script.
[02:11:26] ledestin: I'm sure you can arrange that, but that counts as installing
[02:12:12] imode: is there anything similar to what I'm talking about?
[02:12:51] imode: it would be pretty useful for automated deployment.
[02:13:11] ledestin: I dunno, but you can roll your own
[02:14:38] matthewd: I think you'd need to be more specific about the problem you want to solve to get a more specific answer
[02:15:32] imode: I want to be able to require a gem, have it fetched and installed in a temporary directory for the duration of the script, and then removed when the script terminates.
[02:15:42] matthewd: Rubygems and Bundler are both able to install to an arbitrary directory
[02:15:43] imode: I suspect I could roll my own using rubygems.
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[02:34:17] nofxx: imode, storage is cheap, time lagging waiting download isn't
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[02:37:39] imode: nofxx: not interested in that because automated deployment for long-running scripts outweighs that initial download. :P
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[02:45:16] nofxx: imode, makes sense, but anyways, in that case, just bundle install && bundle exec
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[02:45:54] newcoder: Ruby is not scalable, how true is it?
[02:46:20] runescape07rsps: pretty vague statement
[02:46:33] runescape07rsps: everything is scalable
[02:46:46] runescape07rsps: your only limits are your IQ and creativity
[02:47:06] wmoxam: newcoder: ur right, it's not
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[02:47:27] matthewd: newcoder: Seven.
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[02:51:31] nofxx: agree with runescape07rsps , wmoxam because of thread locks?
[02:52:57] nofxx: imho true scalability involves more than 1 physical CPU, load balancing and independent and resumable processes
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[02:53:12] nofxx: as a free prize you get HA too
[02:53:46] wmoxam: nofxx: there was no expectation of a real answer ;)
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[02:58:10] wmoxam: but for reals, Ruby doesn't scale down well
[02:58:27] wmoxam: not important to most ppl
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[03:00:12] wmoxam: but for example back in the day if you wanted to host a webapp on dirt cheap shared hosting, Ruby wasn't a great choice
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[03:07:36] fredflinstone: i think people who ask those type of Qs are searching for a perfect language that doesn't exist
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[03:08:13] imode: how is ruby not scalable?
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[03:09:23] fredflinstone: the classic example used is probably twitter, from many years ago, and the 'fail whale'. the rails architecture tends to be monolithic. implementation can be a bottleneck for intense cases. generally if you're not facebook or google, it's fine
[03:10:18] imode: ...right but that's rails. rails is not ruby.
[03:10:49] imode: that tends to be the classic response, though. :P
[03:11:08] fredflinstone: twitter didn't have a problem with rails alone
[03:11:15] fredflinstone: the implementation of ruby was a problem too
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[03:12:19] imode: yeah I remember hearing not good things.
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[03:13:18] fredflinstone: yeah. ruby isn't C++, and C++ isn't ruby. both are sad, for different reasons. ppl asking this Q tho, usually use it as evidence to not learn ruby which is kinda unfortunate since i doubt you'll have twitter-like scabability issues.
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[03:22:52] imode: fredflinstone: have there been any instances where folks have used Ruby for high-performance computing stuff?
[03:23:48] fredflinstone: yeah, probably. i don't know of any myself. it can talk to C though, and there's also mruby for micro devices.
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[03:29:52] fredflinstone: http://www.rubymotion.com/ too but it's kinda ruby hybrid
[03:30:22] imode: woah, I did not know A Dark Room was ported using that.
[03:30:24] fredflinstone: popular 2D game was written with rubymotion iirc, so not killer performance but good enough
[03:31:22] fredflinstone: yeah, rubymotion is marketed a bit better but if you're into that type of thing then https://github.com/mruby/mruby may be useful too
[03:32:24] imode: oh wow, matz is on that.
[03:34:05] fredflinstone: https://github.com/kyab/mruby-arduino
[03:35:04] fredflinstone: https://github.com/xxuejie/webruby
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[03:50:37] imode: how up-to-date is the ruby ISO standard?
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[08:06:58] dminuoso: matthewd for ISO language lawyer.
[08:07:00] dminuoso: You have my vote.
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[10:12:17] dminuoso: What do you folks like to use for gathering various application metrics under some unified umbrella across apps? StatsD?
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[10:30:06] pagios: hello community, i am trying to install sinatra on yocto getting this error: gem install sinatra /usr/bin/ruby: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ruby/2.2.0/arm-linux-gnueabi/socket.so: undefined symbol: getipnodebyname
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[10:37:25] GorillaApe: does this seem as a leak?
[10:37:30] GorillaApe: http://i.imgur.com/taSgHWU.png
[10:43:42] pagios: ruby --version ruby 2.2.1p85 (2015-02-26 revision 49769) [arm-linux-gnueabi]
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[10:57:52] darix: pagios: how did oyu install the ruby? does it come from your distribution? if so, it is a bug in the package and you should report it
[10:58:17] pagios: darix, do you think installing bundler would help
[10:58:59] darix: pagios: no. you will need to fix your ruby package before you can continue
[10:59:17] pagios: darix, i installed it on yocto using a recipe
[10:59:29] pagios: darix, http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/fido/layer/meta-ruby/
[10:59:48] darix: pagios: as i said ... report it to them :)
[11:01:32] darix: pagios: it could be a missing function in their libc.
[11:02:23] darix: pagios: and if you still have the build environment. run "make check" to find more potential problems
[11:02:36] pagios: its yocto
[11:02:57] darix: also check if yocto already has a ruby 2.4 package or so
[11:03:06] pagios: it doesnt for fido version
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[11:05:51] pagios: darix, got libc6 - 2.21-r0 installed
[11:06:43] darix: pagios: i dont have any more clue on yocto specifically. my distro of choice is opensuse. :)
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[14:15:53] Kyoshiro: I'm trying to setup this app https://github.com/onetimesecret/onetimesecret/tree/v0.9.2 with phusion passenger on apache2, when I access the app I get this error https://paste.debian.net/hidden/384e565b/
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[14:16:16] Kyoshiro: undefined method `each' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) in rack/utils.rb
[14:16:28] Kyoshiro: where could it come from ?
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[16:56:46] rapha: Does ruby care if i have SomeClass and AnotherClass::SomeClass alongside it? Or will they not get in each other's way because of the subclassing?
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[16:59:14] dminuoso: rapha, that depends on your binding.
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[16:59:44] dminuoso: Argh. Nesting.
[16:59:45] dminuoso: Not binding.
[17:00:06] dminuoso: rapha, if AnotherClass is part of your nesting, then SomeClass will refer to the inner class. Otherwise it will refer to the outer calss.
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[17:01:13] rapha: dminuoso: you mean if I write "class Someclass < AnotherClass; ..." then it's not nested?
[17:02:00] dminuoso: rapha, when I say "nesting" I mean Module.nesting
[17:02:10] dminuoso: rapha, it's the information Ruby uses to determine constant lookup
[17:02:14] dminuoso: rapha, https://cirw.in/blog/constant-lookup.html
[17:02:17] dminuoso: check out that excellent article
[17:04:00] dminuoso: rapha, should you be developing in Rails that article might even be more useful because it's also the foundation for their autoloading algorithm.
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[17:13:34] rapha: dminuoso: nope, no more Rails for me, I jumped ship and feel free as a bird again :)
[17:14:01] rapha: The article is still good!
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[17:16:06] rapha: dminuoso: I didn't want to have prefixes or suffixes to the subclass names, so now they're all in their own submodule, which seems to work nicely.
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[17:26:32] istrasci: Is there a nice Hash method to do `hash.has_key?(:key) && hash[:key] == value` all at once?
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[17:31:43] tobiasvl: istrasci: hash[:key] &&= value
[17:32:03] tobiasvl: as long as the value is always truthy
[17:32:15] tobiasvl: so not exactly what you want, but might work in some scenarios
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[17:33:12] tobiasvl: oh wait, I thought your last == there was =
[17:33:44] istrasci: Yeah, that wasn't working.
[17:33:49] imode: hash.&key == value?
[17:34:03] imode: or is it &.
[17:34:10] istrasci: So the most important part is the comparison, but if the key doesn't exist in the first place, it barfs on you.
[17:34:44] imode: hash&.key == value
[17:35:02] apeiros: tobiasvl: if the value is non-nil you can also just do == value
[17:35:05] apeiros: + istrasci
[17:35:31] apeiros: depending on what you do, also take a look at Hash#fetch
[17:36:25] istrasci: apeiros: Yeah, I tried hash.fetch(:key, false) == value. This will work unless the value you're comparing against is actually false.
[17:36:27] dminuoso: Also possibly Hash#dig
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[17:36:53] apeiros: istrasci: you're aware that Hash#[] will return nil if the key does not exist?
[17:36:58] apeiros: >> {}[:foo]
[17:36:59] ruby[bot]: apeiros: # => nil (https://eval.in/851237)
[17:37:17] apeiros: so as said, just == will work, if nil isn't a viable value in your hash.
[17:37:39] dminuoso: That is unless nil is an admissable value
[17:37:45] apeiros: and if it is, then I think no, there's no nicer way for exactly the case of comparing with a value
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[17:38:00] apeiros: dminuoso: I think that's what I said :-p
[17:38:09] dminuoso: Im eating what can I say
[17:38:24] apeiros: since your mouth is full :D
[17:38:28] dminuoso: I cant eat, type and stare at the screen at the same time. One task has to suffer.
[17:38:38] konsolebox: too bad Qundef is only an internal value.
[17:39:09] apeiros: hash = Hash.new(Object.new)
[17:39:13] dminuoso: konsolebox, honestly Im glad. Its bad enough we have nil in the first place
[17:39:29] apeiros: unless you fuck up mightily, you can now just [] ==
[17:39:44] apeiros: even with nils in your hash
[17:39:46] konsolebox: nah, nil is good.
[17:40:10] dminuoso: konsolebox, Tony Hoare called it his billion dollar mistake for a reason :P
[17:40:35] dminuoso: I wonder if I can sue him for damages.
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[17:41:10] istrasci: Hmm, I think I knew Hash#[] returned nil for a non-existent key, but I was temporarily thinking it would raise an exception.
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[17:41:48] imode: istrasci: I know what you mean. I'm still thinking in python. :P
[17:42:05] istrasci: Must be a Monday morning.
[17:42:56] apeiros: fetch does that
[17:43:04] apeiros: unless you provide it with a second arg or a block
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[17:43:48] istrasci: OK, thanks everyone!
[17:44:04] ivanskie: i need an adult
[17:44:23] imode: imode = Adult.new;
[17:44:33] adaedra: bad luck, we're in shortage of adults, but we have rubyists.
[17:44:39] ivanskie: working with WSDL. using Savon for the comms. and figured that part out.
[17:45:03] ivanskie: but im hitting a brick wall with working with nokogiri
[17:45:07] ivanskie: to parse the xml response.
[17:45:30] apeiros: dom = Nokogiri.XML(xml_string)
[17:45:40] apeiros: that'll parse XML to a DOM
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[17:45:58] apeiros: SAX is a bit more effort. but the docs have good examples.
[17:46:04] ivanskie: so i have this soap api that i can request info about a single item. and that i figured out how to work with. and then i can request a list of all items.
[17:46:36] dminuoso: ivanskie, is that XML wrapped in SOAP? Because SAVON should be able to give you raw ruby objects.
[17:46:39] ivanskie: and i can't figure out how to separate the single out of the list of these.
[17:46:57] ivanskie: oh right. i was going to try to figure out how to do that
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[17:47:18] ivanskie: dminuoso i'll give that a try.
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[17:49:06] ivanskie: oh on the topic of savon.. i can't figure out why i can't build an xml request with nokogiri and pass that to savon. i have to like pass it a string of xml or a file with that xml request. so weird. but thats for another time.
[17:49:19] dminuoso: apeiros, by the way - weirdly Im completely trailing off Ruby. Managed to convince my boss to consider switching out some of our backends for Elixir backends. :-)
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[17:50:05] dminuoso: ivanskie, because XML is only an encoding for SOAP. Savon hides that because it's not necessary for you to know about XML.
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[18:21:03] ivanskie: dminuoso yep working with savon's response was the way to go. thanks
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[19:13:20] kspencer: anyone here used sequel?
[19:13:45] ruby[bot]: dminuoso: I don't know anything about next
[19:13:49] dminuoso: ACTION kicks ruby[bot] with apeiros 
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[19:14:30] kspencer: dminuoso: did you have problems with loads of sleeping db connections?
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[19:19:35] apeiros: ACTION is not a BART
[19:19:53] apeiros: (bot attitude readjustment tool)
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[19:21:31] dminuoso: apeiros, we can change that. Let me just send you a free Apple device with a mysterious message that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike a regular EULA. But it has an accept button.
[19:22:01] apeiros: you're an EU citizen, you should know those have no legal binding power.
[19:22:14] dminuoso: You are not!
[19:22:27] apeiros: yeah, the no legal binding power applies to me doubly so
[19:23:34] dminuoso: We'll just have to let our lawyers fight this in court. Until then you are the BART.
[19:24:01] dminuoso: By the way, might be heading over into the alps this winter. :)
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[20:05:39] adaedra: apeiros: what, you mean you created its attitude but can't change it?
[20:05:58] apeiros: no, I mean I'm not a tool to be thrown at the bot.
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[20:06:21] apeiros: I'll very much adapt its attitude should dminuoso continue to abuse me…
[20:07:16] adaedra: That would make ruby[bot] a DART :D
[20:07:22] apeiros: msg.from.kick if msg.text =~ /kick|throw|poke/ && msg.text =~ /apeiros/ && msg.from = dminuoso
[20:07:34] baweaver_away: Notice that apeiros did not deny being a tool in general :P
[20:07:39] apeiros: dminuoso: tell me more re alps when you know more :)
[20:07:49] adaedra: You forgot the second =, so that condition is moot
[20:07:50] baweaver: ACTION ducks
[20:07:57] apeiros: baweaver: you're away. hence shhht.
[20:08:14] apeiros: adaedra: it's a draft.
[20:08:16] adaedra: we're all away from each other
[20:08:27] apeiros: that's relative
[20:08:44] adaedra: aren't a lot of things?
[20:09:02] apeiros: I'm about 150 million km closer to you than to the sun
[20:09:44] adaedra: Well, the heat wave indicates we got closer to the sun tho
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[20:10:25] apeiros: while earth spirals slowly towards the sun, that effect is insignificant compared to others.
[20:10:44] dminuoso: adaedra, you too measure blueshift from the sun?
[20:10:50] dminuoso: Finally I found someone just like me.
[20:10:51] apeiros: and iirc it'll remain so, since suns expansion will be a problem earlier
[20:11:16] adaedra: I thought it was the sun spiraling around the earth
[20:11:20] baweaver: Lordy, #ruby became #nihilism darn quick
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[20:11:45] dminuoso: baweaver, shush you non believer.
[20:11:52] apeiros: adaedra: matter of perspective. but that makes the maths re astronomy rather difficult :D
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[20:12:54] apeiros: baweaver: nietzsche knew god was dead. now we know millenials killed it.
[20:13:07] adaedra: killed what, nietzsche?
[20:13:17] adaedra: yeah, it's me
[20:13:24] baweaver: both really
[20:13:28] baweaver: we kill all things
[20:13:31] elomatreb: No, it = The Nietzsche-bot
[20:13:36] adaedra: with avocado, right
[20:13:39] baweaver: Fear me, for I am a millenial
[20:14:36] apeiros: btw., anybody got a good tip for a USB 3 hub with 5+ ports, connectable to USB C with a cable > 30cm?
[20:14:42] apeiros: powered ports
[20:14:59] apeiros: ooooh, wait, we're in #ruby? drats, I thought we were in #ruby-offtopic. sorry :D
[20:15:06] dminuoso: apeiros, haha!
[20:15:14] dminuoso: We MBP users should unite.
[20:15:45] apeiros: dminuoso: the problem is that most hubs have a short cable, and I want to connect it to the monitor. would mean it's dangling from it -> stupid, ugly, inconvenient
[20:15:48] dminuoso: I just cascade USB hubs because cascading cascaded hubs is great.
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[20:25:19] ivanskie: anyone here ever dealt with Schneider Data Center Expert?
[20:25:44] apeiros: chances are pretty low I'd say
[20:25:51] ivanskie: i'm considering writing a ruby library to interface DCE's SOAP API.
[20:25:53] ivanskie: yeah thought so.
[20:27:02] dminuoso: Ill give you the same advice I give everyone who endeavours to do something SOAP:
[20:27:39] adaedra: Stay clean
[20:27:44] ivanskie: Doesn't sound like Schneider is going to replace it with REST api anytime soon. I've spoken with their engineers and i've been told by a couple that don't hold yer breath.
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[20:28:26] dminuoso: ACTION is cautious of solutions that have the word "expert" in them
[20:28:45] SeepingN: but it's enterprise class!
[20:29:06] dminuoso: Bringing us to the next word that makes me cautious.
[20:29:18] ivanskie: dminuoso the question i asked you earlier was for this. so now i've figured out how to interface it. already have code to populate a rails model with "devices" pulled from this API. its ugly.
[20:29:31] dminuoso: ivanskie, put a layer in between.
[20:29:44] ivanskie: between what
[20:30:29] ivanskie: i don't have a rails app to speak of. so for now just working with ruby alone to pull the data. thinking about pulling sensor data from some PDUs to populate an excel file with power metering data.
[20:31:57] ivanskie: i have a requirement to update an excel file once a week with used/unused cabinet count in our data center, and power usage / efficiency measurements. for a couple of data centers actually.
[20:32:37] ivanskie: so for one, i've already wrote ruby code to just pull the data directly from devices with SNMP, and spit out csv line to paste into my excel file (long story, have to do it this way).
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[20:33:08] ivanskie: but since im lazy. i'd rather access our DCIM tool, and pull the data from it. then i can write data directly into excel file. lol
[20:33:48] ivanskie: it takes 5 minutes to do it manually. so i want to spend 2-3 days to write some code so that i can just get this done in one click. makes sense right? :D
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[20:39:47] rolands: hello everyone! I'm about to install Ruby but I can't decide if I should check "use UTF-8 as default external encoding".
[20:40:04] dminuoso: roland_, yes.
[20:40:16] rolands: Thank you!
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[20:40:36] apeiros: also hit anybody with a club who provides data in non-unicode encoding.
[20:40:49] apeiros: twice if they don't state the encoding upfront
[20:40:55] dminuoso: Or at the very least hit them if they do without specifying the encoding explicitly.
[20:41:19] apeiros: thrice if they don't even know the encoding themselves
[20:41:28] elomatreb: UTF-32 with BOM, here you go
[20:41:34] apeiros: that's fine
[20:41:42] apeiros: even reasonably detectable
[20:41:47] dminuoso: and 4 times if they use some exotic and outdated encoding that you cant identify like macintosh.
[20:41:56] dminuoso: That one really cost me some hours.
[20:41:58] apeiros: (in this unreasonable world without proper metadata container formats)
[20:42:16] apeiros: dminuoso: "macintosh" isn't an encoding :-p
[20:42:20] dminuoso: apeiros, it is.
[20:42:20] apeiros: maybe you mean macroman?
[20:42:56] apeiros: lünk or it isn't!
[20:42:58] dminuoso: apeiros, no, I do mean macintosh.
[20:43:05] dminuoso: That is an actual thing.
[20:44:18] dminuoso: Perhaps its the same idk, but macOS stored it under that name in the extended attributes, and iconv accepted that as an encoding name
[20:44:20] dminuoso: ACTION shrugs
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[20:45:27] dminuoso: https://encoding.spec.whatwg.org/index-macintosh.txt
[20:46:12] apeiros: given the first 31 characters, it looks at least similar to macroman
[20:46:23] dminuoso: Somehow I suspect you knew that without checking.
[20:46:50] rolands: One more question. Should I install all the components of MSYS2? (base installation, system update, MINGW development toolchain)
[20:46:59] apeiros: I did not compare with macroman, if you mean that
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[20:47:16] apeiros: äöü + éêè is a rather distinct set of chars
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[21:20:01] havenwood: >> require 'prime'; 1.step.lazy.select { |n| (n ** 2 + 11).prime? }.first(3).map { |n| n + 222 }.pack 'U*'
[21:20:02] ruby[bot]: havenwood: # => "äöü" (https://eval.in/851355)
[21:21:07] adaedra: now åäö
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[21:27:02] havenwood: adaedra: Theta series of 4-dimensional lattice A_2 tensor A2, with det 81, minimal norm 4 - add 228 to each and pack.
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[21:27:18] adaedra: À tes souhaits
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