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[00:34:05] havenwood: >> File.public_method(:read).owner # panze
[00:34:05] ruby[bot]: havenwood: # => #<Class:IO> (https://eval.in/977770)
[00:34:42] havenwood: panzi: it's nice that in Ruby was can ask the method who its owner is!
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[07:34:43] dminuoso: havenwood: Its somewhat sad you have to do this at runtime.
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[09:47:45] zenspider: dminuoso: you don't. `ri File::read` works fine
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[15:41:44] dminuoso: zenspider: Works fine until some gem has monkey patched File.
[15:43:02] dminuoso: zenspider: But yeah, I guess I forgot about that.
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[20:15:36] jjaii9: hey is it bad practice for a Ruby console program more or less have one "large" class that holds everything and initialize the class at the bottom, or it typically better to have a separate runner class and/or a rake task to execute things?
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[20:19:02] jhass: "one large class that holds everything" is rarely a good idea ;)
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[20:19:46] jhass: how that class is initialized and called is quite irrelevant in general
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[20:21:00] weaksauce: probably? just depends
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[20:54:47] gizmore: why does ruby does not offer type hinting?
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[20:56:14] jhass: there are plans to do it for ruby 3 afaik
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[20:59:28] gizmore: jhass: yeah, i am just trolling atm, until it's there
[20:59:39] gizmore: i love php and type hinting
[21:00:00] gizmore: i went from php to ruby and back
[21:00:16] gizmore: and my weapon of choice is php now
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[21:00:22] gizmore: because of type hinting
[21:00:40] gizmore: if ruby got type hinting.... wow
[21:00:51] jhass: check crystal :P
[21:01:04] gizmore: let me check
[21:01:43] gizmore: jhass: btw: active record sucks too
[21:01:55] gizmore: i made my own DBA again, and its... different
[21:03:06] gizmore: i made a circle of php => ruby => jsf => php
[21:03:13] gizmore: and my php is all selfmade
[21:03:20] gizmore: and i made a great concept
[21:03:25] gizmore: but php sucks
[21:03:32] gizmore: ruby sucks too
[21:03:47] gizmore: my concept:
[21:03:54] gizmore: i have one base class of GDT
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[21:04:27] gizmore: all this classes know how to behave as DB, HTMLForm, HTMLTable, HTML
[21:04:38] gizmore: every class works everywhere
[21:05:05] gizmore: like you can make migrations with GDT_Email
[21:05:16] gizmore: an email col
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[21:06:36] phaul: so far I only heard people complaining about active record saying it does too much. You think something that does a lot more is better
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[21:07:52] gizmore: i want to make my DBA being extensible
[21:08:03] gizmore: like i want the user DBO have
[21:08:10] gizmore: GDT_AutoIncrement
[21:08:20] jhass: could you press enter less? thanks
[21:08:34] gizmore: GDT_Gender
[21:08:38] gizmore: yeah, sorry
[21:08:52] gizmore: in ActiveRecords.... you got like 6 types
[21:08:59] gizmore: int, bla, bla
[21:09:09] gizmore: in GDO you got like unlimited types
[21:09:26] gizmore: Email, Boolean, Gender, Enum, Select, Name, bla
[21:09:38] gizmore: all types know how to behave
[21:09:59] jhass: you'll love java
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[21:10:14] gizmore: i hate java bloat libraries
[21:10:18] phaul: I like that idea
[21:10:29] phaul: about GDOs
[21:10:34] gizmore: phaul: i did make php => ruby => php
[21:10:46] gizmore: and now i am thinking of recoding it
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[21:11:36] jhass: do Fortran!
[21:11:43] gizmore: phaul: look at this;: https://github.com/gizmore/gdo6-helpdesk/blob/master/howto/HOWTO.md
[21:12:14] gizmore: jhass: my main idea is that every datatype knows how to behave in 5 different scnearious
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[21:12:22] gizmore: jhass: my main idea is that every datatype knows how to behave in 5 different szenarious
[21:12:24] gizmore: jhass: my main idea is that every datatype knows how to behave in 5 different szenarios
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[21:12:40] gizmore: 2) convert from code to db
[21:12:48] gizmore: 3) convert from db to code
[21:12:54] gizmore: 4) display in html
[21:12:59] gizmore: 5) display in json
[21:13:08] gizmore: 6) display in html forms
[21:13:28] gizmore: 7) websockets and stuff are tbd
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[21:13:45] gizmore: https://github.com/gizmore/gdo6-helpdesk/blob/master/howto/HOWTO.md
[21:13:55] jhass: what if I want to serialize to YAML? Protobuf? Messagepack? My own custom encoding?
[21:14:10] gizmore: good and difficult question
[21:14:21] jhass: actually not, you're mixing concerns
[21:15:15] gizmore: you can use toJSON() for each datatype and make it convert to yaml mybe
[21:15:16] jhass: a serializer should know datatypes and conversions, not the datatype should know its serialzations and conversions
[21:15:30] jhass: since it's much easier to hook custom converters into a serializer
[21:15:31] gizmore: thats the difference of gdo
[21:15:38] jhass: than into each and every possible datatype
[21:15:38] gizmore: there are unlimited types
[21:15:55] gizmore: in activerecord... there is only 5 types
[21:16:30] gizmore: in gdo... there are unlimited types... the disatvantage is that they all need to implement a lot of cases
[21:17:11] gizmore: the cases are; 1) DB 2) DB to App and vice versa 3) JSON 4) JSON configforJS 5) .... thats it
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[21:18:03] gizmore: for example
[21:18:10] gizmore: GDT_Checkbox
[21:18:10] jhass: I think we all got it, thanks
[21:18:23] gizmore: or imagine this
[21:18:34] gizmore: you can make a migration with a GDT_Email field
[21:18:48] gizmore: in AR... email is a varchar
[21:18:52] jhass: how about you write a blogpost and post it to rubyflow or whatever instead of spamming this channel?
[21:19:13] gizmore: i dont care much about the adaption yet
[21:19:23] gizmore: it was made for me.,.. by me
[21:19:30] jhass: ok, so why do you tell us?
[21:19:41] jhass: why not keep it for yourself then?
[21:19:43] gizmore: i just regularly troll you because my approach is the futureu
[21:19:54] gizmore: i want you to think on it
[21:20:07] gizmore: the approach is different
[21:20:11] gizmore: it changes a lot
[21:20:23] gizmore: it is MIT licensed... so i share it
[21:20:23] jhass: it's not, seen it a lot in java. was a pain to use
[21:21:44] gizmore: in rails its a no go
[21:21:52] jhass: please stop
[21:22:54] gizmore: just saying that Rails only offers 5 datatypes in DBA.... and it's isolated from the rest of your souce
[21:23:15] gizmore: GDO offers unlimited datatypes which supports all your responses
[21:23:26] gizmore: including dba
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[21:26:33] gizmore: imagine a world where you can plug GDT_Telephone into your DBA,JSON,HTML,Tables,Forms. etc
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[21:29:42] gizmore: i wanted to add a custom type to active record... like string
[21:29:50] gizmore: not possible easily
[21:30:07] gizmore: in my own type system... there are unlimited types to add to the DBA
[21:33:58] gizmore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTGwAiuMk2k
[21:35:44] jhass: there's #ruby-offtopic for that kind of stuff ;)
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[21:35:45] gizmore: jhass: also omnipotent datatypes add a new problem
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[21:52:08] gizmore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KOpDF4DxEk
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[22:35:22] gizmore: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1G9D8A4Fiw
[22:46:37] gizmore: rails is fta compared to ruby
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