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[09:40:33] Bish: hello folks, out company tries to publish it's first gem
[09:40:54] Bish: when doing gem install it works flawlessly, when doing bundler install it says it installs but is yet to be found (by require)
[09:45:03] Bish: when doing that as root (i know i am not supposed to do that) it's also not showing up in the "global gem" folder
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[09:59:56] Bish: okay, i get it..bundler does his own weird repository
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[14:32:57] Trevoke: Hi everyone, I'm on Ruby 2.4 - the documentation for URI.encode / URI.escape indicates I shouldn't use it and should use something else instead, but none of the provided options have the same behavior. Is URI.encode scheduled to be removed from core and, if so, when?
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[14:55:15] lubekpl: Hey guys, I'm working on a ruby script and need to use a shared file that was extracted to a gem. The problem is that the gem requires rails. Would it be possible to load just a single file from within the gem?
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[15:56:19] catphish: ruby has some really weird behaviours with class finding :( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h4vZ29sVVK/
[15:58:03] up|ime: how does that (not) work
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[16:16:29] phaul: that looks weird. what version of ruby is that?
[16:18:15] catphish: 2.5.3 on OSX i'm told
[16:18:58] catphish: ruby's always had behaviour i didn't understand with regard to finding classes within parent classes
[16:20:50] phaul: there is module nesting and things. but here if I understand it correctly first it does something, then it does something else to the exact same. which is a whole new level of weirdness
[16:22:25] phaul: which makes me wonder if somehow the first case becomes a method call and that method somehow does f*ckery with things. But I couldn't replicate it making a method call. the parser just doesn't take it as such. It does if I add () to the end
[16:23:06] phaul: https://carc.in/#/r/6233 <- method call M::X() but M::X just fails
[16:27:58] phaul: maybe autoload is triggering the change
[16:28:23] phaul: &ri autoload
[16:28:23] rubydoc: I found 2 entries matching method autoload. Use &list autoload if you would like to see a list
[16:28:35] phaul: &list autoload
[16:28:35] rubydoc: Kernel#autoload, Module#autoload
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[18:16:04] kelm: good evening
[18:17:25] phaul: good evening
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[18:24:05] kelm: can i ask you something phaul ?
[18:24:22] phaul: sure, go for it
[18:24:34] kelm: thank you
[18:25:34] kelm: i making script in sh from years and never taking time really to learn interpreted language like ruby or python
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[18:26:45] kelm: from weeks i learn the documentation of ruby and learn it to convert some of my scripts to play first, then to make my new need in ruby
[18:27:46] kelm: but i seen today than the version are maintained 4 years in general
[18:28:38] kelm: so is it a good idea for my usage to use ruby for admin script in time?
[18:28:56] kelm: following your experience
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[18:32:11] phaul: in my expperience learning ruby is a good idea because it has an elegant conciese and very expressive syntax, that when well written will be readable and maintainable for many years to come. shells scripts as the size grow are really not maintainable imho
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[18:33:38] kelm: phaul: yes i love the syntax and the very nice documentation in ruby-doc.org
[18:34:08] kelm: phaul: very elegant and easy to learn, im very happy for the moment
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[18:35:17] kelm: phaul: but in a pragmatic example, whats will happend for my actual .rb in 7 years if i update ruby ?
[18:36:47] kelm: phaul: lot of work on each .rb or just working if they don't use new feature?
[18:37:13] phaul: yeah. that's fortunately not a pain that I had to deal with yet so maybe im not qualified to comment. I know that many companies (github etc) burn lot of engineeering hours on upgrading their systems. Maybe it's inevitable
[18:38:04] phaul: it's not just Ruby for them butmore the libraries and frameworks
[18:38:22] kelm: phaul: so retro-compatility is how many years in general ?
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[18:39:22] kelm: phaul: in my case its not for web usage, only scripts executed by cron under bsd systems
[18:40:44] phaul: I let others answer. I dont have a strong feeling on what the right answer is and I don't want to mislead you
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[18:41:29] kelm: ok thank you phaul ;-)
[18:43:06] kelm: phaul: have a nice end of day
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[18:53:10] phaul: 8 minutes to go: https://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/ai90kc/future_stream_exploring_tracepoint_jan_26_11am_pst/
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[21:12:10] seydar: i'm rejoining the ruby and programming worlds after like a 5 year hiatus
[21:12:24] seydar: what are the preferred web frameworks?
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[21:24:18] seydar: ugh do we still not have a better library for curses
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